Please show me or quote me who in this thread was advocating your salvation can't be forfeited.
Saying I KNOW I am saved, right here and right now does NOT advocate OSAS.
And please show how any scripture was misused
Show me where I said that anyone did.
Nor did I say that you advocate OSAS.
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I don't mean to be rude, but one might as well be a Muslim with the kind of thinking that they aren't sure or don't know. Do you have faith? In Jesus? I am confidant in my Lord to keep me to the very end, saved and sanctified.
Act 23:1 And looking intently at the council, Paul said, "Brothers, I have lived my life before God in all good conscience up to this day."
2Th 3:3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall establish you, and keep you from evil.
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy
Why even reach out to lost souls if we don't know they will be saved? Are we just hoping we will be saved or do we have a great Hope we ARE saved. Salvation is not a lottery
Great scriptures but they do not add balance, in my opinion, left alone as they are without other scriptures which need to be considered.
I am perplexed why you would use the "ping pong" analogy since I don't know anyone that believes that either. Why can't we remain balnced?
Just for a little balance to the scriptures that rightfully teach us that God is ABLE to keep that which we have committed unto him against that day...and all other "God is ABLE" scriptures including the one that you used above in the 24th verse.
God is able...his ability is left UP TO ME. Look:
Hbr 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Hbr 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Hbr 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Of course, I could quote an encyclopedia full of scritprues just like this one or very similar teaching us that to keeping the commandments of God is imperative to salvation. Fearing God and keeping His commandments is the whole duty of man and is not an option. All of that while the scriptures that you quoted above all other "he is able" scriptues are also true.
No ping pong salvation though. I also know that I am saved. There is only one time since that I received the Holy Ghost that I can say that I was not saved at that time. I was not keeping His commandments and walking according to my own will according to the course of this world.
I give up. You guys have me convinced. Keeping the commandments are only suggestions, if you get around to it. I agree. No keeping the commandments for me anymore. See? I'm easy.
I give up. You guys have me convinced. Keeping the commandments are only suggestions, if you get around to it. I agree. No keeping the commandments for me anymore. See? I'm easy.
Wow.
I just thought you were acting like the Bible didn't say that. Thought I'd provide the Scripture for you.
I didn't say anything about keeping the commandments or not.
Oddly enough, this one falls under "Love your neighbor as yourself."
We tend to put people like that in jail. Some of them do end up put to death even in America today.
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Great scriptures but they do not add balance, in my opinion, left alone as they are without other scriptures which need to be considered.
Add balance to what? They support my point. We CAN be assured of our salvation. That is the question of the thread is it not?
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I am perplexed why you would use the "ping pong" analogy since I don't know anyone that believes that either. Why can't we remain balnced?
Who said we can't?
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Just for a little balance to the scriptures that rightfully teach us that God is ABLE to keep that which we have committed unto him against that day...and all other "God is ABLE" scriptures including the one that you used above in the 24th verse.
Again, this is why I post...you post as though I deny we need balance or someone else denied it?
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God is able...his ability is left UP TO ME.
Again, you are preaching to the chior which suggests to me somewhere along the way you think I said it is not left up to us
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Look:
Hbr 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Hbr 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Hbr 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Of course, I could quote an encyclopedia full of scritprues just like this one or very similar teaching us that to keeping the commandments of God is imperative to salvation. Fearing God and keeping His commandments is the whole duty of man and is not an option. All of that while the scriptures that you quoted above all other "he is able" scriptues are also true.
No ping pong salvation though. I also know that I am saved. There is only one time since that I received the Holy Ghost that I can say that I was not saved at that time. I was not keeping His commandments and walking according to my own will according to the course of this world.
You start off with "Look"
as though you are going to teach me something I don't know or am denying. You are preaching to the chior. Nobody posted anything contrary to what you are saying.
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Well, I guess we are getting what it "seems to be what you are suggesting" crossed up. You seemed to be suggesting that "God is able" without earnestly contening for the faith once delivered unto the saints, keeping his commandments.
"Seems to bewhat you are suggesting" is a two way street, I suppose.
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Add balance to what? They support my point. We CAN be assured of our salvation. That is the question of the thread is it not?
Yes, that is true. I added the word "IF." If we hold out to the end. If we keep His commandments. If we walk in the light...on and on.
I also added that "IF our hearts condemn us not then we have confidence..."
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Who said we can't?
Not I.
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Again, this is why I post...you post as though I deny we need balance or someone else denied it?
Are we having a perception problem?
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Again, you are preaching to the chior which suggests to me somewhere along the way you think I said it is not left up to us
A scripture or two affirming it would have been helpful. Too many folks think that they can cruise through life without keeping God's commandments and not be held in account for it. Had you added at least one scripture other than just "he is able" scriptures, I would have been contented.
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You start off with "Look"
as though you are going to teach me something I don't know or am denying.
Silly me.
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You are preaching to the chior. Nobody posted anything contrary to what you are saying.
Good. Then help me list all the commandments that Timmy demands to see. I told him that it was imperative that he keeps the Word of God and he wanted to run out and kill all his kids. Hahaha. :
I give up. You guys have me convinced. Keeping the commandments are only suggestions, if you get around to it. I agree. No keeping the commandments for me anymore. See? I'm easy.
Sigh.
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Good. Then help me list all the commandments that Timmy demands to see. I told him that it was imperative that he keeps the Word of God and he wanted to run out and kill all his kids. Hahaha. :
Sigh.
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