The besetting sin of Pentecost

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Ronzo

Just don't take too much... it's bad for the gut in excessive doses from what I understand.

Not is it good for your long term health, please do not abuse this junk.

[tbpew]

The topic does give us a platform for discussing the role of PAIN and suffering in the system of things pertaining to our bodies; systems that God is the master builder, designer, archetect.

Does God expect us to find contentment from within chronic or continual pain?

Does ingesting chemical that BLOCKS brain communication of a PAIN signal serve us in the long term? Is it God's gift as a remedy or is it man's symptom management. I am not condemning any one seeking the symptom management but just wondering how does one chart this course? Will a life now perpetually ingest chemicals that our liver must constantly filter. Will there be increases of Cirrhosis-type afflictions involving organs that are called upon to filter the blood.


Since the availability of new pain management chemicals like oxycodone are being experienced, not only is the pain signal blocked but an sense of euphoria is also introduced.

I understand a little about euphoria from former days where the "old man" was involved with controlled substances. Any degree of euphoria that replaces chronic pain would be a "mainline" to a chemical dependance.

The other aspect that fuels my cynacism is that symtom management is a far more lucrative system of health care delivery then curative approaches. The symptom is less detectable, the patient is not complaining (or sueing), everybody is getting paid.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by ILG

Nope. But then I don't attend Apostolic churches either. I think that prescription medication is a tool that should be used sparingly, when necessary. But I also think that people should educate themselves of the drug industry and know that not everything done in the name of medicine is for our benefit. I just red a book called Racketeering in Medicine: The Suppression of Alternatives and there is another good book called Confessions of a Medical Heretic. Just because it is medicine doesn't necessarily make it good for you. We need to be wise. On the other hand, the Bible talks of some medicine so it can't all be bad.

ILG,

I agree with you! I know BiPolar and ADHD can be controlled through natural minerals and vitamins, with adjustments in diet...there are very few times that medication is absolutely necessary for some of these things...our society is far too over-medicated!

I do know that Physician's offices are bombarded with reps from pharm. companies and the free samples they give out to get the Dr to prescribe their medications...it is a racket and keep shte hypochondriac coming back for more.

Blessings, Rhoni

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

This is sad. To require this is also a form of abuse IMO.

But to answer your question, YES. I am seeing a renewed push to get the entire population on drugs. I guess what bothers me the most is the psychotropic prescriptions they are putting kids on. First they introduce a new "disorder" then the mircle cure in the presciption form. Bothersome to me.

It is all about the money, if a pharmaceutical company get a FDA approval and can get doctors to prescribe it for a major "disorder" it is billions $$$ and billions $$$, they are selling out. But we should not be ignorant and BUY!!

I want to know what the doctor is prescribing and why, and what are the long term effects.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Thad

Pastor poster,


I've known saints in my own church who give there kids Baby Niquil
so that they themselves can go to bed and not have to wake up.
I guess on accasion that would be okay. sometimes when I'm flying and i have to hear a screaming kids for 5 hours I feel like reaching for some

the unspoken topic is Pastors and pastor's wives who are on Anti depressants !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOO DID I SAY THAT ?????????????



.running for cover!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, did I say this is Wrong. Terrible parenting, child abuse.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Thad

well I admit, I use about everything I can get my hands on.
I take my breif case to church and come prepared with EVERYTHING.
a bottle cough and congestion
a cocktail of advil and tylonel (advil for to relax the muscles and tyl. for pain)
nasal spray
clariton for allergies
12 hour sudefed for sinus headaches
excedrin migraine for severe headaches
then I have benedryl, melatonin and sleeping pills to help me sleep.

Addict!

[CC1]

I personally know a young man who is bi polar and ADD who desperately needs to be on meds.

He is in his mid 20's and as a christian abhors the over medication in our society so has been determined for several years now not to take the medication he needs for these problems.

The result is that he cannot hold a job despite being highly educated, bi lingual, smart, handsome, good personality, etc.

The bi polar condition causes him to act on impulse sometimes and sooner or later it results in something inappropriate being done or said on the spur of the moment that costs him his job.

His wife told me she expects him to lose his current job despite his intense dedication and working many hours beyond what he is being paid. He has a lot of responsibility and a heavy job load but his ADD causes him to not be able to focus so he goes in a million different directions not able to get tasks done.

This young man is cutting off his nose to spite his face by trying to take such a stand against prescription medicene.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by ILG

Nope. But then I don't attend Apostolic churches either. I think that prescription medication is a tool that should be used sparingly, when necessary. But I also think that people should educate themselves of the drug industry and know that not everything done in the name of medicine is for our benefit. I just red a book called Racketeering in Medicine: The Suppression of Alternatives and there is another good book called Confessions of a Medical Heretic. Just because it is medicine doesn't necessarily make it good for you. We need to be wise. On the other hand, the Bible talks of some medicine so it can't all be bad.

A couple of things this post stirred....

1. In the 80's, a book forever changed me from youthful niaviate' (never know how to spell that) concerning the health biz, it was called "Male Practice". It was an fabulous "view of the forest" pertaining to the series of acceptable medical/health care practices involving women involved in delivering well-babies. WARNING: since then, do not come to my house and bring up obstetrics, you will get a verbal 'sunami' of praise for certified nurse midwifery.

I mention this because of the possibility that each of us default to assuming that our health care providers are all benevolent cross-breeds between Marcus Weleby and House (sorry for two overt TV references--please, I have no need to know if you have a TV).

The whole Hyppocratic oath is based on a "do no harm" foundation. I do not see the current pattern of "rush to prescribe" as demonstrating this principal of conduct. Antibotics for viruses, pain blockers for any particular symptom, may be a long departure from what this medical philosopher purposed. Excerpt below:

I will prescribe regimen for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgement and never do harm to anyone. To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death. Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion.

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The unmentionable sin of the abuse of prescription medicine from what I hear it is an epidemic among every stripe and flavor of Pentecost. Are you hearing very much said about it across the pulpits where you attend or visit?

Whew.It must be the back pain meds.