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07-10-2008, 06:35 PM
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Re: Who then can be lost?
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
I think we all need to be careful how we teach things, as well.
It's one thing to teach that certain things are not good for a Christian to do, even if we don't have chapter and verse.
But, to preach those same things as issues of heaven or hell, when the scripture NOWHERE gives such gravity to the subject, is adding to the Word, in my humble opinion.
We should be like Paul, when he said, "All things are lawful, but not all things are expedient".
There are certain things that may not necessarily send me to hell, but they surely are not conducive to living an overcoming life!
No, we don't have to have chapter and verse to preach against things, just common sense is all that's needed in most cases.
However, we must certainly DO need chapter and verse if we're going to pronounce eternal damnation on someone's soul for engaging in that activity!
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 You're alright, Mr. Phelps.
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07-10-2008, 08:01 PM
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Re: Who then can be lost?
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Those are my statements and I stand behind everyone of them.
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Hey aren't those the lyrics of a country song??? 
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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07-10-2008, 09:53 PM
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Re: Who then can be lost?
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Those are my statements and I stand behind everyone of them.
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While I'm thinking about this, I think I should let you know, Sir, that although I differ with you, I admire and respect that you are willing to take a stand. Your online demeanor has helped me to become more rooted and grounded in what I believe.
It's a show of strength, in many cases, to stand, unflinchingly.
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07-10-2008, 11:03 PM
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Re: Who then can be lost?
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Those are my statements and I stand behind everyone of them.
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What is bobbed hair?
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Jer 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls...
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07-10-2008, 11:11 PM
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Re: Who then can be lost?
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"No one who does not engage in foot washing is apostolic."
"No one outside of apostolic circles are Christians."
"No woman with bobbed hair will be in the bride."
"No one who smokes will enter heaven/be in the bride."
All of the above quotes are attributed to the author of this thread verbatim.
I would postulate that anyone who makes all of the above statements will not be part of the bride.... But I won't.  |
I agree with every one of those statements as well, except I don't know what "bobbed" hair is.
Can't be saved without obeying the apostolic plan of salvation that the apostles taught to the lost in the book of Acts. Jews, Samaritans, Gentiles all baptized in the name of Jesus and rec'd the Holy Ghost - born again of the water and Spirit.
If one is bound by smoking, then they are still bound - he whom the Son has set free, is free indeed. What kind of an example is the church to the world, if there are people in the church who cannot be set free from smoking? Why should the world seek that church if that church doesn't have the power to deliver someone? Perhaps that church has lost its power over its enemies due to some Achan?
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Jer 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls...
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07-11-2008, 03:35 AM
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Re: Who then can be lost?
Please tell me you are not giving salvation-level value to foot washing?
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07-11-2008, 05:49 AM
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of 10!! :)
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Re: Who then can be lost?
Bro. Epley, I really admire and appreciate so much, Men of God as yourself!
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07-11-2008, 07:05 AM
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Re: Who then can be lost?
Here's a couple of lists of who can be lost:
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1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
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Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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But this gives me hope:
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1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
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Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
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07-11-2008, 07:46 AM
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Re: Who then can be lost?
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What is bobbed hair?
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Cut hair. I believe it actually refers to a specific hairstyle of cut hair on women back from the first part of the 20th century. Since those AMF types like Elder Epley live in that era in their minds (LOL) I think they use that term to apply generically to cut hair on women.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-11-2008, 07:53 AM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Re: Who then can be lost?
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Those are my statements and I stand behind everyone of them.
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I respect your stand, Elder. Unfortunately, scripture doesn't stand with you.
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