Ferd! You have gotten it! Thank you for your input.
Again, I marvel when I think of the heros of the Bible that were able to hear God's voice and act. But how about the people that followed them, trusted them, and obeyed them?
How about those who didn't? Korah was swallowed up. Ananias and Sapphira were pegged. Noah's generation was lost. Miriam got leprosy. The Jewish rulers of the day killed the King of Glory (which, in turn, provided a way of salvation to humanity). The seven churches were perishing and didn't have an ear to hear. Israel turned themselves away from the prophets and went into captivity.
Saul didn't hear Samuel, but he was ready willing and able to listen to a lying devil. Balaam didn't hear God, but he listened to a donkey.
There are many types that come from Abraham's obedience to sacrifice Isaac. But Abraham the human being...was seconds away from killing his promise because God requested it.
I would agree with you about the courage to follow the voice of God. Someone comparing a woman who killed her kids is a pretty stupid leap.
However...how does this apply to Lee Stoneking and his message? Lee Stoneking said some outrageous stuff wherein he was making an attempt to form a compelling argument for a belief that some/most already believe is biblical. I believe he said those things simply to enflame the masses.
For what? What on earth is the context for him to say that "our" woman should take out their bobby pins and dance while waving their hair in a circle to touch the throne because a demon possessed women does it and has black supernatural power.
Am I missing something here? The abstract idea may have validity, however in its application, I think it is like trying to toss a bowling ball into a thimble.
I would agree with you about the courage to follow the voice of God. Someone comparing a woman who killed her kids is a pretty stupid leap.
However...how does this apply to Lee Stoneking and his message? Lee Stoneking said some outrageous stuff wherein he was making an attempt to form a compelling argument for a belief that some/most already believe is biblical. I believe he said those things simply to enflame the masses.
For what? What on earth is the context for him to say that "our" woman should take out their bobby pins and dance while waving their hair in a circle to touch the throne because a demon possessed women does it and has black supernatural power.
Am I missing something here? The abstract idea may have validity, however in its application, I think it is like trying to toss a bowling ball into a thimble.
how do you know they didnt have some scripture? Just because it isnt in scripture doesnt mean there isnt any scripture.
PS. Jeks post is solid. It doesnt mean we need to stop reading the bible.
dont pick on me today bro, I am feeling very moderate!
Jek was refering to the Stoneking thing and Magic hair. So he is offering an argument that we don't need scriptures in order to form some doctrines
In other words LS can be a modern day Abraham who is hearing from God for all the rest of us on this magic hair thing regardless of what the bible says and we are all in deep trouble for not heeding his voice
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With all of the recent hubub about a certain popular preacher SUPPOSEDLY not preaching truth from the Word of God I have wondered about some things.
Referring to LS
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Interestingly, with the lack of scripture at the time of these events, I wonder...
yes a LACK of Scripture which LS lacked for his views
Quote:
Good thing these people have good ole AFF to set them straight! Go ahead! Rip into these folks!
And full circle because it was these good people of AFF that called LS on his teachings and the lack of scriptural support AND appealing to witches for the magic hair doctrine.
Seems very clear to me
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
yes a LACK of Scripture which LS lacked for his views
And full circle because it was these good people of AFF that called LS on his teachings and the lack of scriptural support AND appealing to witches for the magic hair doctrine.
Seems very clear to me
Dude, you seriously need to step outside for a few days, breathe some fresh air, get LS off of the brain. The sun is not purple, moon is not made out of cheese, and this thread wasn't about LS.
Ferd, OneAccord, Tstew and others have provided fresh perspectives, they haven't let LS tie them in knots.
Wow. Now I am seriously worried. St. John's Wort is an excellent herbal remedy for your nerves.
And, maybe some hooked on phonics?
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Dude, you seriously need to step outside for a few days, breathe some fresh air, get LS off of the brain. The sun is not purple, moon is not made out of cheese, and this thread wasn't about LS.
Ferd, OneAccord, Tstew and others have provided fresh perspectives, they haven't let LS tie them in knots.
Wow. Now I am seriously worried. St. John's Wort is an excellent herbal remedy for your nerves.
And, maybe some hooked on phonics?
The fact that you can only spew insults and not have an intelligent discussion does not bother me much coming from you. I just consider the source
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Brothers I believe that we should all post as if non-Apostolic people (people who most of us feel do not have full salvation and the full presence and power of God in their lives) may be watching. I think that it is difficult for us to make that assertion unless they see Christ-like virtue manifested in our conversations in a dimension that they do not know.
I was excited about finding AFF because I do feel like there is tremendous capacity for good. I do still feel that very strongly but if anything meaningful will be accomplished it will be because of prayerful conversation and consideration.
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The thought just occurred to me in this conversation about things not specified in the Scriptures. I have not given this much thought or study but I just thought that to me there is a difference between doing something that is unorthodox and not specifically prescribed in Scripture, and teaching something that is unorthodox and not specifically prescribed in Scripture.
Just a thought I had. I'm sure if that if I'm wrong the dogs will swoop in and eat of my flesh ala' Jezebel.
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It's one thing to be inspired to do something not found in scriptures (makes you wonder then why some UCs are so against using the tv for evangelism) and another to made a doctrine or a practice that is binding
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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