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Re: Christ Church Pastor Change
God the eternal spirit dwelt in the man Christ Jesus...seems so simple to me...but I have always been oneness...
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06-09-2008, 10:20 AM
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Re: Christ Church Pastor Change
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CC1 the only people I have met who believes anything like this are what we called "Jesus Only" folks in Ky. they were illiterate to say the least.
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My COG friend thinks UPC or oneness people in general are Jesus Only folks.
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06-09-2008, 10:22 AM
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Re: Christ Church Pastor Change
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How about John 5:16 through about chapter 7? When I was Bible quizzing and we did the book of John we skipped those 3 chapters. |
It is interesting because in there it talks about the Holy Ghost not yet being given because Jesus was not yet glorified.
I think it is clear there is "God" outside of the physical "Son of God" Jesus Christ hence the seperate references of "going to my father", etc.
I wonder what the thought is about any kind of distinction between the "Father" and the "Holy Spirit". Is there any "aspect" or operation of God outside of the Holy Spirit?
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06-09-2008, 10:28 AM
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Re: Christ Church Pastor Change
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Yup. If you don't acknowledge that there was God beyond the physical body of Jesus it makes a lot of scriptures very difficult.
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I think it's even a bit more than that. To keep the Father/Son relationship from showing Jesus as schizophrenic, it is imperative the we attribute the titles properly.
The Father is God as He relates to creation and the parental role apart from humanity and the incarnation.
The Son is God as He relates to creation and humanity in and through the incarnation.
Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, is the person of God Himself. However, saying that He is the Father (of the Only Begotten Son) implies a removal of distinction and essential characteristics of the incarnation.
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06-09-2008, 10:29 AM
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Re: Christ Church Pastor Change
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My COG friend thinks UPC or oneness people in general are Jesus Only folks.
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The "Jesus Only" folks I refer to are in the truest sense of the word. However the early American Oneness movement referred to themselves as Jesus Only it was on the PAW insignia drawn by Bishop Haywood.
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06-09-2008, 10:31 AM
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Re: Christ Church Pastor Change
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The "Jesus Only" folks I refer to are in the truest sense of the word. However the early American Oneness movement referred to themselves as Jesus Only it was on the PAW insignia drawn by Bishop Haywood.
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"Jesus Only" is the label many trinitarians try to put on Oneness folks and it is just as erroneous as Oneness folks trying to label most trinitarians as polytheisitic "3 god" believers.
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06-09-2008, 10:33 AM
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Re: Christ Church Pastor Change
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I think it's even a bit more than that. To keep the Father/Son relationship from showing Jesus as schizophrenic, it is imperative the we attribute the titles properly.
The Father is God as He relates to creation and the parental role apart from humanity and the incarnation.
The Son is God as He relates to creation and humanity in and through the incarnation.
Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, is the person of God Himself. However, saying the He is the Father (of the Only Begotten Son) implies a removal of distinction and essential characteristics of the incarnation.
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Yes but this indicates a distinction between the Father and Jesus that I don't believe most OP's want to acknowledge. One of the main preaching points is that "Jesus is the Father".
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06-09-2008, 10:38 AM
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Re: Christ Church Pastor Change
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Yes but this indicates a distinction between the Father and Jesus that I don't believe most OP's want to acknowledge. One of the main preaching points is that "Jesus is the Father".
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True.
I do understand there are semantics involved, and if they mean Jesus is God Almighty, the Yahweh of the Old Testament that is one thing.
I would argue that scriptural definition and designation of "The Father" is God in a parental role outside of, and apart from the incarnation.
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"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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06-09-2008, 10:41 AM
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Re: Christ Church Pastor Change
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True.
I do understand there are semantics involved, and if they mean Jesus is God Almighty, the Yahweh of the Old Testament that is one thing.
I would argue that scriptural definition and designation of "The Father" is God in a parental role outside of, and apart from the incarnation.
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Excue me BUT JESUS is the NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now if you are speaking of Him as Son then alright HOWEVER JESUS is the Father-Son-Holy Ghost-ALL of It with nothing left out.
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06-09-2008, 10:50 AM
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Re: Christ Church Pastor Change
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I think it's even a bit more than that. To keep the Father/Son relationship from showing Jesus as schizophrenic, it is imperative the we attribute the titles properly.
The Father is God as He relates to creation and the parental role apart from humanity and the incarnation.
The Son is God as He relates to creation and humanity in and through the incarnation.
Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, is the person of God Himself. However, saying that He is the Father (of the Only Begotten Son) implies a removal of distinction and essential characteristics of the incarnation.
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I agree!!
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