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Old 04-29-2008, 01:33 PM
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Right now I'm paying a greater percentage of my paycheck in taxes than most folks making over $200,000 a year. All I want to know is that they are paying their fair share. Close or cap the tax breaks and allow a number of the tax cuts to expire. They Democratic plan is targetted, it's not a whole hog tax increase.
you assume, that is always a mistake, as usual you get your rhetoric from some moron dem blog, by the way did you pay 35 percent last year, well i did, and you dont deserve any more of your hard earned money than i do, i have kids in college, kids at home, a mortgage, family just like you do, dont kid yourself into thinking you pay any where near what others pay, if that is what you paid last year, i paid 10 times what you paid, and didnt reach the threshold you speak of, enough of this silly talk, grow up then talk, that is all, dismissed, dt
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Ferd, I think it's great that truckers are taking a state. What do you think the government should do to relieve the situation or do you feel it's all too far gone?
Well I will tell you what I think they ought to do, but we also need to think about what they shouldn’t do.

Dems are talking about price freezing. Talk about a stupid idea. That isn’t what needs to be done.

But here is what I think needs to happen.

The Fed and the Treasury need to defend the Dollar. A big portion of the price of Crude is related to people taking money out of the Dollar and moving it into commodities.

The President needs to be talking to the Europeans about helping strengthen the Dollar. They are hurt when the dollar is week because we are an import nation, and that means their goods cost too much now.

The congress needs to pass legislation that opens ANWR and a number of offshore areas for drilling for oil that they have put off limits. (Today Dingy Hairy Reed the Dem-o-rat leader of the Senate took Bush to task for wanting to ruin the environment. the dems need to get off that idiot box and get to work.)

Congress also needs to pass legislation that lifts the restrictions on new oil refineries, and also need to pass legislation to make Nuclear power plants viable.

Congress needs to make the bush tax cuts permanent to create a baseline.

That would be a great starting point. Unfortunately the Dems will likely fail this test... miserably.
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Well I will tell you what I think they ought to do, but we also need to think about what they shouldn’t do.

Dems are talking about price freezing. Talk about a stupid idea. That isn’t what needs to be done.

But here is what I think needs to happen.

The Fed and the Treasury need to defend the Dollar. A big portion of the price of Crude is related to people taking money out of the Dollar and moving it into commodities.

The President needs to be talking to the Europeans about helping strengthen the Dollar. They are hurt when the dollar is week because we are an import nation, and that means their goods cost too much now.

The congress needs to pass legislation that opens ANWR and a number of offshore areas for drilling for oil that they have put off limits. (Today Dingy Hairy Reed the Dem-o-rat leader of the Senate took Bush to task for wanting to ruin the environment. the dems need to get off that idiot box and get to work.)

Congress also needs to pass legislation that lifts the restrictions on new oil refineries, and also need to pass legislation to make Nuclear power plants viable.

Congress needs to make the bush tax cuts permanent to create a baseline.

That would be a great starting point. Unfortunately the Dems will likely fail this test... miserably.
amen, ferd, by the way chris hall after the dems take your money they still dotn care about you, dt
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The battlefield for that "war" would be ANWR and the coast of California. There are huge untapped deposits off of Malibu. There's a huge deposit of petroleum under North and South Dakota but it may be as expensive (and messy) to recover as the oil sands in Alberta.

There are literally mountains of oil locked up in oil shale in Colorado. But you have to take down those mountains and cook the rocks to get the oil.

What we need is a technological breakthrough. A whole new way of doing things. And throwing money into projects won't make it happen. Human genius shines the brightest when things are the darkest. FDR tried to spend our way out of the Great Depresssion but it took a monster like WW2 to really bring out the best in us.

I fear government programs like the "War" on Poverty which created more poverty, or the "War" on Drugs that only served to bring both war and more drugs to our streets.

I really do believe that within 10 years we will likely see a vast shift in energy.

Algae as an oil source is really starting to take off. if the technology can have a break thru, you could see Algae bio-fuel take the place of oil in 10 years.
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I really do believe that within 10 years we will likely see a vast shift in energy.

Algae as an oil source is really starting to take off. if the technology can have a break thru, you could see Algae bio-fuel take the place of oil in 10 years.
There is an experiment with algae taking place in AZ right now at a coal plant. It was actually halted briefly because it was too successful and they couldn't remove the algae faster than it was growing!

Granted, the reason they are doing it is as a carbon capture system, but..... it can be made very easily into bio-diesel.
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The battlefield for that "war" would be ANWR and the coast of California. There are huge untapped deposits off of Malibu. There's a huge deposit of petroleum under North and South Dakota but it may be as expensive (and messy) to recover as the oil sands in Alberta.
I agree. Balancing our energy needs with conservation and Biblical stewardship of creation will indeed be a great battle. I’m told that there are “huge” deposits here and there. I’d like to know how large these deposits are and how long they will provide resources. Also this fix would take years before this oil would find its way into our fuel supplies. If we cannot drill without damaging creation…I’m not so sure it’s a good deal. We are Americans. I think those who say we must damage the environment for progress are selling us short. We put a man on the moon before any other nation on earth. Where’s the vision? Where’s the leadership on this issue? Ultimately we need to get away from oil entirely. It’s 2008. We need to develop hydrogen engine technologies and use more nuclear power. In my opinion this should be the primary thrust of our efforts…not so much additional drilling. If the drilling can be done without damaging the environment and is done with oversight, I have no issue with it. But if it will wreck that environment, I don’t feel comfortable saving money at the expense of creation. I believe that harmonic dominion is possible.

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There are literally mountains of oil locked up in oil shale in Colorado. But you have to take down those mountains and cook the rocks to get the oil.
Unacceptable. I couldn’t support that.

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What we need is a technological breakthrough. A whole new way of doing things. And throwing money into projects won't make it happen. Human genius shines the brightest when things are the darkest. FDR tried to spend our way out of the Great Depresssion but it took a monster like WW2 to really bring out the best in us.

I fear government programs like the "War" on Poverty which created more poverty, or the "War" on Drugs that only served to bring both war and more drugs to our streets.
We need to get away from oil as much as possible. It’s the old way of doing things. Of course there are powerful forces dedicated to maintaining their power and profits in our society. They will stand in the way.

I think we need to wake up and smell the coffee. In Europe they ride bicycles and use public transit as a main source of transportation far more than we do. I bought a bicycle and it’s become my way to work and back. That’s the way things are. We cannot maintain our current lifestyle when it comes to using gasoline like crazy. Americans are going to have to change their lifestyles. The corner store would make a come back. The community church would make a come back. No more mega-malls and super stores 15-20 miles away. No more mega churches 15-20 miles away out in the suburbs. We need to come back to a life that value “home”, “community”, and “family” and conserve until we find new ways of providing for our energy needs. The term “conservative” is based on the action of “conservation”. We need to learn how to “conserve” on fuel and our desire to burn gasoline like mad.
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We've had a Republican President and a Republican Congress for 8 years. We've seen massive tax breaks, massive tax cuts, shelter after shelter created for businesses...and well...maybe I'm missing something. Are things really working out the way they said it would? The banks fought to get deregulated so they could do more lending. They said it would allow those currently unable to borrow to gain property and increase their overall wealth. Wow. That worked out great. LOL
Chris, the banking problem which has lead this turn down is a result of REGULATION not DERegulation.

this whole thing is about bad loans that were written by lenders to comply with the 1995 Community Reinvestment Act.

so you are wrong on the banks.

also after Bush's tax cuts, the wealty are paying a greater percentage of the tax burden than before his tax cuts. the poorest Americans not only are now OFF the tax roles but some actually get money back even though they didnt pay a dime into the system!
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Chris, the banking problem which has lead this turn down is a result of REGULATION not DERegulation.

this whole thing is about bad loans that were written by lenders to comply with the 1995 Community Reinvestment Act.

so you are wrong on the banks.

also after Bush's tax cuts, the wealty are paying a greater percentage of the tax burden than before his tax cuts. the poorest Americans not only are now OFF the tax roles but some actually get money back even though they didnt pay a dime into the system!
true dat, and right on on the tax cuts, something the "poor" in mind dont understand, good grief charlie, dt
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There is an experiment with algae taking place in AZ right now at a coal plant. It was actually halted briefly because it was too successful and they couldn't remove the algae faster than it was growing!

Granted, the reason they are doing it is as a carbon capture system, but..... it can be made very easily into bio-diesel.
there is a company near Harlengen TX that has an operational plant that startered April 1 of this year.

there is another in Colorado that is producing oil but it is in the experimental stage.

I know of another company outside El Paso doing the same thing.

Look, Algae produces 50% of its bio mass every day. some strains are 50% fat which takes very little to turn into bio diesel. the rest of its mass is Carb and Protean, the carbs can be processed into ehtinol and the protien can be made into high quality animal food.


this stuff sucks cabon out of the atomsphere, (returned when burned) AND can produce 10,000 gallons of fuel per year per acre.

and the best land to use for its production is non Ariable land where no other crop will grow.

My opinion, find a good Algae bio-fuel company and invest.
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there is a company near Harlengen TX that has an operational plant that startered April 1 of this year.

there is another in Colorado that is producing oil but it is in the experimental stage.

I know of another company outside El Paso doing the same thing.

Look, Algae produces 50% of its bio mass every day. some strains are 50% fat which takes very little to turn into bio diesel. the rest of its mass is Carb and Protean, the carbs can be processed into ehtinol and the protien can be made into high quality animal food.


this stuff sucks cabon out of the atomsphere, (returned when burned) AND can produce 10,000 gallons of fuel per year per acre.

and the best land to use for its production is non Ariable land where no other crop will grow.

My opinion, find a good Algae bio-fuel company and invest.
That sounds awesome, Ferd!

There is so much good information about algae. Cleaning up oil and soils, etc.
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