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[Ferd]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

But you're not keeping your money. First the oil industry is causing a shortage and thereby driving up prices.

you know full well, I dont read those long and obnoxus posts so stop!

secondly where you are concerned, I read till I get to the first anti-fact.

well, I didnt make it past the second sentance!!!!!!

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?????

Chris, please, vote for Obama. Beg the gubbermint to take care of you. if you want, tell the gubbermint they need to supply you with the food you feed your dog. i dont care.

But STOP WITH THE CRAZY LIES!

Fact: There has not been a single refinery built in the USA in 30 years because the environmental restrictions are too expensive.

Fact: there is a limited amount of crude that is being brought out of the ground by OPEC not because of the "oil companies"

Fact: Both China and India have increased their demand for oil by very large factors in the last decade and those numbers increase daily.

THE "oil companies" are not causing a shortage.

Es Tea You Pea Eye Dee!

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Count in stronger government oversight and production standards in the oil industry and you’d see production levels increased significantly to keep prices somewhat lower. It’s not a clean fix because market forces to come to bare.

no need to answer more than two of your innane points.

this one is either based on willful ignorance and a complete need to rely on government (you need a passie dude)

or a flat out, balled faced lie.

I will leave the readers to decide.

government oversite of production????? You must be typing with your toes because your fingers surely know better???/

What? you are not advocating the US. Government take oversite of drilling for oil in THE MIDDLE EAST???? I thought you were against invading other countries??????

YOUR team has decided we cant dril in ANWR. YOUR team has decided we cant drill off the coast of Florida. YOUR team has blocked drilling for oil in America dude!

YOUR TEAM LEADER ALGORE wrote the book advocating $3.00 gas so we would quit driving.

so dont tell me about government oversite.


this is worse than Es Tea You Pea Eye Dee

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Ferd

you know full well, I dont read those long and obnoxus posts so stop!

I know...if it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker most right wingers' eyes cross. LOL

secondly where you are concerned, I read till I get to the first anti-fact.

well, I didnt make it past the second sentance!!!!!!

All alright. LOL

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?????

Chris, please, vote for Obama. Beg the gubbermint to take care of you. if you want, tell the gubbermint they need to supply you with the food you feed your dog. i dont care.

My dog? LOL Dude...I'm just wanting to keep more of my own money.

But STOP WITH THE CRAZY LIES!

Fact: There has not been a single refinery built in the USA in 30 years because the environmental restrictions are too expensive.

Partially true, but it's not too expensive when the industry made 11 BILLION dollars in RECORD profits last year (or was it just the quarter?) alone. They can afford the updated refineries that would be more environmentally friendly…they’re just too cheep to invest in making sure we have a clean environment. I work for a Wastewater Treatment plant. Our Industrial Pretreatment team is always in legal hassles trying to prevent companies from putting some of the most poisonous stuff into the storm drains and dumping on our plant. You’d be amazed at what these companies would dump if we allowed them. Big Oil is not different. They’d destroy whatever environment they had to in order to secure greater profits. So I don’t buy the too expensive ************. Sure, if they broke even last year or struggled somewhat I’d hear the little violin music your playing…but dude…these guys have the dough…they just don’t care and are playing politics.

Those companies have more money than you and I could ever dream about. And they’re whining over the fact that we want them to build clean refineries with modern technologies. I guess you either love America or you don’t…and these cats don’t.

Fact: there is a limited amount of crude that is being brought out of the ground by OPEC not because of the "oil companies"

I agree that OPEC’s a big (if not the biggest) problem right now.

Fact: Both China and India have increased their demand for oil by very large factors in the last decade and those numbers increase daily.

I know Beijing alone is adding something like 2000 vehicles to its streets nearly every day, not to even mention the industrial growth. But their pollution is out of this world. It’s really not cool. Of course some folks would have America the same way.

THE "oil companies" are not causing a shortage.

Are US oil companies currently producing at 100% capacity with that they have at present?

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Ferd

government oversite of production????? You must be typing with your toes because your fingers surely know better???

Bro. Fuel is a national security issue. If refineries are not putting out as much as they can to exacerbate a shortage guess what….the government needs to motivate them to produce with a few hefty fines.

What? you are not advocating the US. Government take oversite of drilling for oil in THE MIDDLE EAST???? I thought you were against invading other countries??????

I’m not talking about the Middle East.

YOUR team has decided we cant dril in ANWR. YOUR team has decided we cant drill off the coast of Florida. YOUR team has blocked drilling for oil in America dude!

The current refineries aren’t even producing what they could be producing. It would be a different story if they were at 100%. Part of the problem is that they are unwilling to build cleaner refineries to meet regulations. We’re not going to allow them to build using outdated technologies that aren’t as clean. Get real. First, we want them to update their current refineries…but they’re fighting it (in spite of record profits). If they were investing in building newer clean plants that met regulations we’d be more than willing to allow them to build refineries in various areas we currently are protecting. They wanna build…let them build clean refineries with the latest technologies.

YOUR TEAM LEADER ALGORE wrote the book advocating $3.00 gas so we would quit driving.

Not everyone agrees with Gore. But I will admit. I do far less driving now than I used to.