The Ministry of Ham

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

ROFL! Me, too...my first couple of sermons were about 4 minutes...now I can't get them under 45! Last time, my wife was almost falling asleep

I guess I was really called to preach because I preached about 30 to 45 min. and the power of God was so strong and I was anointed and the power moved people in the church.This one girl started singing in tongues,it was so great.I never herd someone do that befor.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Joelel

I guess I was really called to preach because I preached about 30 to 45 min. ...

And the implication being that Seguidor isn't??? Simply because the first time he didn't have that much to say?

Originally Posted by Joelel

The thing is,he posted all this scripture from the old testement and about peoples humanity that are not filled with the Holy Ghost and refering it to the ministery and people in the church today.The church is suppose to be spirtual filled with the Spirit not in the flesh or carnal. So all them scripture means nothing.Just thought all that scripture would take some explaining and then you come along and ask if I ever took a speach class. Maybe you would like to explain how humanity can be in Spirit filled people.Paul said you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit if the Spirit dwell in you.

Why, sir, would the Apostle Paul even bother to teach about the necessity of walking in the Spirit and not after the flesh, if we are automatically exempt from such a choice when we are filled with the Holy Ghost?

And why, sir, do you dare to say that the scriptures posted by Coonskinner don't apply to Holy Ghost filled people today, when the Bible itself says that ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works?

Originally Posted by Joelel

I guess I was really called to preach because I preached about 30 to 45 min. and the power of God was so strong and I was anointed and the power moved people in the church.This one girl started singing in tongues,it was so great.I never herd someone do that befor.

Is it really all about you? You really believe that a move of the Holy Ghost is attributable to a call of God on your life? That's so totally lame, friend. The most powerfully anointed man of God ever to live, the man Christ Jesus, couldn't do many mighty works in a place where there was unbelief. Sounds to me like you were blessed to preach your first message to a group of folks who were willing to allow the Word to be mixed with faith in their lives, and thus the Holy Ghost was able to operate in their midst. That is, if you believe the Bible and all.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

And the implication being that Seguidor isn't??? Simply because the first time he didn't have that much to say?

It's not the person rather he has much to say.It's the anointing or the power of God in the person preaching.So I guess the correct thing to say is God didn't have much to say.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by SISTER Murphy

Why, sir, would the Apostle Paul even bother to teach about the necessity of walking in the Spirit and not after the flesh, if we are automatically exempt from such a choice when we are filled with the Holy Ghost?

And why, sir, do you dare to say that the scriptures posted by Coonskinner don't apply to Holy Ghost filled people today, when the Bible itself says that ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works?

Murphy,Not only was he saying it was important to walk in the Spirit but the imporance is also,if you don't walk in the Spirit, the Spirit is not in you.Rom.8:9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.

So we don't have a choice,if the Spirit dwells in us we will not walk in the flesh.

How can scripture from the old testement apply to us when we are filled with the Spirit and they were not ? You can't compare a Holy Ghost filled person to one that is not.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by SISTER Murphy

Is it really all about you? You really believe that a move of the Holy Ghost is attributable to a call of God on your life? That's so totally lame, friend. The most powerfully anointed man of God ever to live, the man Christ Jesus, couldn't do many mighty works in a place where there was unbelief. Sounds to me like you were blessed to preach your first message to a group of folks who were willing to allow the Word to be mixed with faith in their lives, and thus the Holy Ghost was able to operate in their midst. That is, if you believe the Bible and all.

Murphy,1,Being anointed has to do with alot of things and it starts with being called to preach.2,If there is no anointing then maybe you are giving that which is holy to dogs and should not be preaching to them.God don't anoint me to preach to alot of people and if i'm not anointed I sit down.It says he didn't do many mighty works.It don't say he didn't do any.The works went out to those who believed but not to those of unbelieveth.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

You have missed the point by about 1,000 miles.

I am not speaking of covering sin.

The Samuels and Nathans are around.

If you haven't heard them, maybe you haven't been in the right places.

CS,
I understand that the point of your thread was what you wrote here and I agree.

I was wanting to ask you a question about Ham aside from the topic here.


Genesis 9:21-24
"And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.
And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him."

I was noticing that the word saw also includes the meaning - (make to) enjoy, have experience

And of course, in verse 24 it says, "and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

It appears that more had happened than Ham viewing his father as naked, if you know what I'm saying. I couldn't think it was a big deal for a man to sleep nude.

Any thoughts on that?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

CS,
I understand that the point of your thread was what you wrote here and I agree.

I was wanting to ask you a question about Ham aside from the topic here.


Genesis 9:21-24
"And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.
And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him."

I was noticing that the word saw also includes the meaning - (make to) enjoy, have experience

And of course, in verse 24 it says, "and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

It appears that more had happened than Ham viewing his father as naked, if you know what I'm saying. I couldn't think it was a big deal for a man to sleep nude.

Any thoughts on that?

It was actually Canaan, the son of Ham, who was cursed.

It is possible that canaan did something untoward that is not directly recorded, hence the curse upon him and not directly on Ham.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Joelel

I guess I was really called to preach because I preached about 30 to 45 min. and the power of God was so strong and I was anointed and the power moved people in the church.This one girl started singing in tongues,it was so great.I never herd someone do that befor.

What a revelation.

The length of a man's first sermon is a sure fire indicator of the veracity of his calling.