McCain Is the Only Hope of the GOP & America

[ReformedDave]

[QUOTE=ChristopherHall;377607]Wrong. Funding for Medicare and Medicaid would be transfered into a national health insurance program funding the program nearly 60%. Taxes needed to pay for the rest of the program would be less than your insurance primium. For example, right now in the private market my insurance primum is $365 a month. The only increase in my taxes to sustain the system would be $110 a month. Please note...with a national health insurance system my primiums as paid now would go away. I would actually walk away with $255 extra dollars in my pocket every month! I'd keep more of my money in a national health insurance program.

If you were to use the same tactics to fund your health insurance on a local, microeconomic level, you'd go to jail. Specifically, walking over to your neighbor's house with a gun and confiscating a sum of money for your insurance premium and "administrative overhead." But having a law passed so that a police officer and an IRS agent do your dirty work for you, now somehow that's ethical????

Baloney. How is it ethical to use tax dollars for anything then? Someone will always wish not to have their tax dollars spent on something. I guess everyone's being robbed. Maybe we should shut down the government and become an anarchy. Get realistic here bro. We're talking about Health Insurance. It's not like a car or computer. It's health. Do sick people have a basic human right to health care that can save their lives. Last year an estimated 18,000 Americans died because they couldn't afford health insurance. What was their only crime? Being poor.



Would you like to visit a Canadian forum and talk with some Canadians about this with me?

Let me get this straight. It is alright for the government to steal from me but you're not allowed to........ Or is it anything that the government says is a tax is not stealing.....

BTW, you used the term "basic human right". On who's authority can you make this claim?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Thank you .... but I'd have to read all those articles for myself and check for bias and agenda and consider the author's own political stance. Context has to be taken into consideration as well.

Besides, I doubt McCain is a whole lot different. If you take the U.S. Constitution and democracy seriously then you have to extend equal right for all citizens regardless of their morals otherwise you get in trouble with the whole "discrimination" thing.

It's a mess.

And no, I can't vote.

Oh he is not , don't care much for him either. Actually I really don't have alot of optimism in any of them from any party. This is by far the worst selection of candidates I've seen. Trying to vote for the lesser of two evils would be about as accurate as flipping a coin.

Heads or Tails?!?!

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

This is a hermanutical principle. Some aspects of the law were fulled by Christ, i:e- the ceremonial law, and some were changed. Under the Old Testament law there were strict limits put on the different areas of society and the civil government could not arbitrarily choose how much, who, and what to tax.

Ceremonial laws did embody eternal truths and principles we find in the NT. Therefore while we don't obey the letter of those laws we obey the spirit of those laws. For example, we don't execute or stone sinners anymore bro. But those who continue in sin are cut off from the body, thereby issuing spiritual death.

Those Laws in the Law of Moses that embodied principles of social equity throughout a society are no longer necessary to obey literally...but their principles still come into play. If it was a principle of God's Law in which the government in Israel were to enforce equity and justice toward those in need...we do well to impliment that principle in modern politics.

[ChristopherHall]

[QUOTE=ReformedDave;377614]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Wrong. Funding for Medicare and Medicaid would be transfered into a national health insurance program funding the program nearly 60%. Taxes needed to pay for the rest of the program would be less than your insurance primium. For example, right now in the private market my insurance primum is $365 a month. The only increase in my taxes to sustain the system would be $110 a month. Please note...with a national health insurance system my primiums as paid now would go away. I would actually walk away with $255 extra dollars in my pocket every month! I'd keep more of my money in a national health insurance program.



Let me get this straight. It is alright for the government to steal from me but you're not allowed to........ Or is it anything that the government says is a tax is not stealing.....

BTW, you used the term "basic human right". On who's authority can you make this claim?

The moral implications of this question will prove rather I'm right or wrong. Let's assume a loving mother of three has cancer but she has no health insurance. Does she have a basic human right to treatments that can save her life without rendering her economically bankrupt and destitute? Yes or no?

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Ceremonial laws did embody eternal truths and principles we find in the NT. Therefore while we don't obey the letter of those laws we obey the spirit of those laws. For example, we don't execute or stone sinners anymore bro. But those who continue in sin are cut off from the body, thereby issuing spiritual death.

Those Laws in the Law of Moses that embodied principles of social equity throughout a society are no longer necessary to obey literally...but their principles still come into play. If it was a principle of God's Law in which the government in Israel were to enforce equity and justice toward those in need...we do well to impliment that principle in modern politics.

We don't literally implement the ten commandments? There are many New Testament quotes where OT commandments were stated as binding.

Execution? Paul seems to think we do.

[ReformedDave]

[QUOTE=ChristopherHall;377621]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

The moral implications of this question will prove rather I'm right or wrong. Let's assume a loving mother of three has cancer but she has no health insurance. Does she have a basic human right to treatments that can save her life?

On what authority? Can you provide one that is not inconsistent and arbitrary.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

There you have it folks. Dave reveals that he would execute sinners in the United States. Dave....I know you can't see it bro. But hate filled people like you who would execute sinners is a growing problem in this country. You're distablizing our nation like the Taliban distablized Afghanistan. Hey Dave...I assume you're so holy you feel you'd have the right to pull the trigger on a homosexual?

Acts 5; 4-10

4Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

5And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. 10Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

Was Peter hate filled, or maybe it was God

[ChristopherHall]

Let me get this straight. It is alright for the government to steal from me but you're not allowed to........ Or is it anything that the government says is a tax is not stealing.....

Paul wrote in Romans 13 that we are to pay our taxes. Paul teaches us that government is an institution ordained by God to serve the people.

I see taxes as "citizenship fees". There are certain benefits with citizenship and these fees cover these benefits. If you don't want to pay the fee...you don't want to be a member. If you don't want to be a member...move to some other country.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by scotty

Acts 5; 4-10

4Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

5And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. 10Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

Was Peter hate filled, or maybe it was God

Are you saying Peter executed Ananias and his wife? God can choose to judge whom he will. This doesn't give us the right to play God walking around executing sinners.

[ChristopherHall]

Wow. Demons are coming out of the wood work now. LOL Oh well...let Hell rage.