Is sex before marrage a sin if you marry the person?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

Kissing is acceptable.

Touching ("inappropriately" and "where hands should not be unless you are married") is not acceptable.

Kissing someone else's future wife is acceptable???

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by commonsense

While I believe this to be admirable and good, I don't think it is always realistic. If a couple feels this strongly and can honor this, that's great. I just feel that in this and all other aspects of one's walk with GOD, so often we present things that are part of living in a perfect world, and since we don't live in a perfect world, it causes some to feel inadequate due to their humaness.

I do support abstaining from sex before marriage.

I agree very much with what you are saying, as I said it was not a standard. It was something that was important to my son and his wife, neither they nor I suggest it should be something everyone should aspire to.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Just thought I would start a thread tonight. I need to run my post count up a little more.

ANY sex before marriage is a sin! Whether you marry the person or not. How many APostolics would never have married the person they married if they had not had sex with the person first which caused a connect that could not be ignored? If they had waited they may have found God's will...that is a thought isn't it?

Blessings, Rhoni

[mfblume]

Yes it is.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

still gotta abide by the laws.................besides, what are you gonna do when someone messes up and sleeps with someone, but then they break up and they find someone else? are they now in adultery????

That is a very serious question to consider isn't it.

[MissBrattified]

Yes. Its a sin.

And if having sex with a person "married" you to them, then fornication wouldn't even be possible. ...because the moment you had sex with them, you would be married, and therefore it would then be legal (at least in God's eyes).

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Yes. Its a sin.

And if having sex with a person "married" you to them, then fornication wouldn't even be possible. ...because the moment you had sex with them, you would be married, and therefore it would then be legal (at least in God's eyes).

How do you define fornication?

Please note the scripture below.

Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

If fornication is only sex between non married people then how can one put their wife away for fornication?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

How do you define fornication?

I think its a generic word for any type of sexual sin, including adultery.

If fornication is only sex between non married people then how can one put their wife away for fornication?

I didn't say that fornication was only sex between non-married people. Berk said something earlier on the thread about if you have sex with someone you are thereby married to them.

So if you're unmarried, and you have sex with another (unmarried) person, and that marries you to that person, then technically how could it be fornication (sexual sin)? Sex as a married couple isn't sin.

Another flaw in his theory, would be that if a married woman had sex with someone other then her husband, then she would then be married to two men, unless Berk is saying that sex with the second man effectively divorces her from her husband and forges a new relationship.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I didn't say that fornication was only sex between non-married people.

Ahhh... yes... my bad.... reading too fast... or possibly responding too fast.

My apologies.

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Berk said something earlier on the thread about if you have sex with someone you are thereby married to them.

So if you're unmarried, and you have sex with another (unmarried) person, and that marries you to that person, then technically how could it be fornication (sexual sin)? Sex as a married couple isn't sin.

Another flaw in his theory, would be...

Let me say first off that I am not convinced that Berk is right. But I do think that it is an interested subject to discuss yet one that rarely finds any substantive discussion because people view opinion, tradition and assumptions as doctrine.

But... to touch on what you have said so far... Your first point is not a flaw in his theory... it is a consequence. If a study of Gods word found what Berk is saying to be true then what you have stated would be a true consequence of that doctrine.

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Another flaw in his theory, would be that if a married woman had sex with someone other then her husband, then she would then be married to two men, unless Berk is saying that sex with the second man effectively divorces her from her husband and forges a new relationship.

There are probably a lot of things in the Bible in this particular arena of discussion that today's woman would find pretty offensive. The Bible is not aligned with any modern ways of thinking when it comes to human sexuality that is for sure.

According to the scripture that I quoted... and I do recognize that there are many more to consider as well... but according to the scripture I quoted a woman who had sex with someone other than the man she was married to was in fornication.

One can enter into covenant with another... but when you are in covenant with one already and then you enter into covenant with another then there are legal ramifications that come into play there which take it to a whole different arena.

But... all these things aside... the question to ask, if one truly wants to find out what the truth is on any subject, is a simple one. What does the Word of God say?

So... what does the Word of God say about marriage, when one is deemed married, what ceremony, if any, is involved etc.

If one does not find their answers in the Word of God then one is building on sinking sand.

[Sister Alvear]

Yes, it is a sin and it will haunt you the rest of your life. I have worked with people that it followed them where ever they went. Of course God forgives sin but scars remain...and hiding sin and confessing because you were caught has caused many people to lose their relationship with God, with the church and in the end destroyed the marriage.
Repentance for any sin must be sincere. Someone asked me< How do we know when a person is sincere..." The only answer I knew to give was watch their works...If they become bitter, hard and cold it is because something is very wrong in their hearts. Sadly sexual sins leave deep deep scares...Even as sincere as David was when he repented he said that his sin was always before him.
I have lately had to deal with a lady that did a horrible sin...she has repented and cried for hours both in my office and room...even though Christ forgive's sin we too MUST forgive ourselves and all involved and go on...and grow in Christ.