Speaking of which...TRANSGENDERED?

Originally Posted by Richard Perry

We are about to see a train wreak.....The agenda of the missing be-attitude of tolerance is about to meet the agenda of alternate lifestyles.....When they force both issues into the church.....then boom....I'm glad I Pastor in the sticks.

I'm sure you meant train wreck. Since when is "tolerance" one of the beatitudes? Where did Jesus ever say "blessed are the tolerant"? In fact, wasn't He essentially being "intolerant" by claiming to be the way, the truth and the life and by saying that no one can come to the Father except by Him?

The Gospel is for whosoever will, but Jesus was plain concerning qualifications.

Who will must first deny self..

Who will must first follow...

Who will must first die to the old man...

Agreed (of course, the only ones who will are God's elect).

To allow and tolerate the make-believe world of trans-gender playfulness is to allow a "killer" spirit to infect the body with desception to the extreme.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about here. A person who is "transgendered" genuinely believes that while his (or her) physical body is of one sex, he (or she) is the opposite sex on the inside. These people aren't pretending. Their thinking is obviously messed-up but they aren't pretending to have such messed-up thinking. Further, it isn't some "spirit" that has invaded them.

[Rhoni]

You clearly don't know what you're talking about here. A person who is "transgendered" genuinely believes that while his (or her) physical body is of one sex, he (or she) is the opposite sex on the inside. These people aren't pretending. Their thinking is obviously messed-up but they aren't pretending to have such messed-up thinking. Further, it isn't some "spirit" that has invaded them.
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Chance your definition is right but I do believe it to be a type of spiritual oppression...the world is sin sick...it permeates our culture, lifestyles, homes, and churches.

Rhoni

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Chance

Who?

your definition is right but I do believe it to be a type of spiritual oppression...the world is sin sick...it permeates our culture, lifestyles, homes, and churches.

Being a sin-sick world has nothing to do with "spiritual oppression" (the notion that it's spirits that are oppressing us), it has to do with Adam and Eve choosing to rebel against God and all of their progeny being born with a nature that wants to sin.

Originally Posted by Chan

I'm sure you meant train wreck. Since when is "tolerance" one of the beatitudes? Where did Jesus ever say "blessed are the tolerant"? In fact, wasn't He essentially being "intolerant" by claiming to be the way, the truth and the life and by saying that no one can come to the Father except by Him?

Agreed (of course, the only ones who will are God's elect).

You clearly don't know what you're talking about here. A person who is "transgendered" genuinely believes that while his (or her) physical body is of one sex, he (or she) is the opposite sex on the inside. These people aren't pretending. Their thinking is obviously messed-up but they aren't pretending to have such messed-up thinking. Further, it isn't some "spirit" that has invaded them.

To the first issue I intended "tounge in cheek" to express the misconception of modern theologians that tolerance is a missing be-attitude.

Secondly, a physical handicap is not a provactive expression, playing the role with trans-gender openness is. I believe rarely trans-gender children are born, either Morphadite or genetic infusion. Most of these are role modeling expressions of inward bitterness toward their particular,God given sex.

They are "mostly" confused and agressive attention getters, who desire nothing more than to disrupt any congregation with antics of provacation.

Growing up in downtown Houston, I knew many, and seldom met a physiological example. Mostly,it was a cry for attention.

Originally Posted by Richard Perry

To the first issue I intended "tounge in cheek" to express the misconception of modern theologians that tolerance is a missing be-attitude.

Modern theologians who have bought into the world's lies because these modern theologians aren't even saved!

Secondly, a physical handicap is not a provactive expression, playing the role with trans-gender openness is. I believe rarely trans-gender children are born, either Morphadite or genetic infusion. Most of these are role modeling expressions of inward bitterness toward their particular,God given sex.

They are "mostly" confused and agressive attention getters, who desire nothing more than to disrupt any congregation with antics of provacation.

Growing up in downtown Houston, I knew many, and seldom met a physiological example. Mostly,it was a cry for attention.

Who said anything about physical handicap. These people genuinely believe that their physical sex doesn't match what their mind tells them they are. Their bodies may be male but their mind tells them they're female or, the opposite, their bodies may be female but their mind tells them they're male. It's not about trying to get attention, it's about not correcting their disordered thinking (though many of them have latched on to the whole Gay/Lesbian/Bi-Sexual/Transgendered civil rights in-your-face activism that is trying to force society to accept such aberrations, such deviations from the norm as not merely normal but actually desirable). Of course, the real solution is not to change the anatomy but, instead, to change the thinking.

Here's the testimony of one such transgendered person whom God miraculously healed:

http://www.lastdaysministries.org/ar...themirror.html

Of course, he does make the mistake of confusing transsexualism with homosexuality but that doesn't in any way change the reality of what God did in his life.

Originally Posted by Chan

Modern theologians who have bought into the world's lies because these modern theologians aren't even saved!

Who said anything about physical handicap. These people genuinely believe that their physical sex doesn't match what their mind tells them they are. Their bodies may be male but their mind tells them they're female or, the opposite, their bodies may be female but their mind tells them they're male. It's not about trying to get attention, it's about not correcting their disordered thinking (though many of them have latched on to the whole Gay/Lesbian/Bi-Sexual/Transgendered civil rights in-your-face activism that is trying to force society to accept such aberrations, such deviations from the norm as not merely normal but actually desirable). Of course, the real solution is not to change the anatomy but, instead, to change the thinking.

Here's the testimony of one such transgendered person whom God miraculously healed:

http://www.lastdaysministries.org/ar...themirror.html

Of course, he does make the mistake of confusing transsexualism with homosexuality but that doesn't in any way change the reality of what God did in his life.

Okay..okay...I'm an ignert, the term transgender is by itself an expression of physiological. Homo-sexual is an expression of alternate sexualitiy. I was simply tryig to solidify the purpose and position of congregatioanal worship as pertaining to one who would dress and act openly as a emotional anomoly. Not one who battles their identity. Christ is the answer for both, but USUALLY the transgender/transvestite, open display of attention needed personality disorder is just there to disrupt the service for fun.

Originally Posted by Richard Perry

Okay..okay...I'm an ignert, the term transgender is by itself an expression of physiological. Homo-sexual is an expression of alternate sexualitiy. I was simply tryig to solidify the purpose and position of congregatioanal worship as pertaining to one who would dress and act openly as a emotional anomoly. Not one who battles their identity. Christ is the answer for both, but USUALLY the transgender/transvestite, open display of attention needed personality disorder is just there to disrupt the service for fun.

Transgendered is not the same thing as transvestite. As for how to deal with them in church, the goal should be to bring the transsexual to Christ and have Him heal the disordered thinking. Until the Lord heals the thinking, the transgendered person should be dressing according to his or her anatomical gender (if he or she has not undergone the gender reassignment surgery).

A transvestite (cross-dresser) is either a heterosexual or a homosexual who dresses in the clothes of the opposite sex either for entertainment purposes or for some perverted sexual self-gratification (I once met a heterosexual man who was a transvestite and he said that he derived a certain sexual pleasure from cross-dressing).

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Chan

People in the Western world (Europe and the Americas) are essentially sheep: issues become important to them when the media tells them the issues are important.

I agree.

I wonder how much the media plays in shaping the hearts and minds of American and British churches considering the trend towards being homosexual tolerant

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I agree.

I wonder how much the media plays in shaping the hearts and minds of American and British churches considering the trend towards being homosexual tolerant

I'd say it plays a significant role.

[Rhoni]

I can almost see the relevence of women not wearing pants when I think of men not wearing skirts. The culture is so unindated with transvestites and those that thing they are transgendered that it gives a cause for concern.