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Old 05-03-2010, 07:04 AM
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Holiness dead?

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Old 05-03-2010, 07:30 AM
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We discussed this last year:

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Old 05-03-2010, 08:06 AM
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Re: Holiness dead?

Maybe just in a coma?
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Re: Holiness dead?

I think it is absolutely dead in some places, but thankfully, not all!
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Re: Holiness dead?

I think holiness has been misrepresented by clothing. In such circles it can indeed be dead and replaced. Holiness is s state of the heart that manifests modesty, for sure, but not necessarily according to certain dress standards. When people have to line up to a dress standard, rather than allow true holiness to manifest naturally of its own accord, it becomes fleshly, though modest. Ands anything of the flesh does not please the Lord.

We have two extremes. The folks who hold no bars and think immodesty is fine, and those who have outlandish dress standards that are nigh unto the Amish. Both are fleshly.
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I heard an excellent message this weekend that discussed holiness. We are not made holy by anything we can do. Our righteousness is, after all, like filthy rags. We are not made holy by our actions, our clothes, or even our attitudes. We are made holy by the blood of Jesus. It was when the priests in the OT were sprinkled with the blood of the lamb that they were set apart as holy to the Lord. In the same way, we are covered with the blood of the Lamb today. When God looks at us now, He sees the blood of Jesus. It is His blood that makes us holy, not anything we can do on our part. Anything we do in dress or word or deed is because we are holy, not because we are trying to be holy. And it isn't a contest, BTW, of who has the longest hem or hair. It's a matter of a heart response to God.
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Old 05-03-2010, 09:35 AM
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Why does Peter entreat us to "be holy" if we already are holy?
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Why does Peter entreat us to "be holy" if we already are holy?
Define holiness.

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Holiness is s state of the heart that manifests modesty, for sure, but not necessarily according to certain dress standards. When people have to line up to a dress standard, rather than allow true holiness to manifest naturally of its own accord, it becomes fleshly, though modest. Ands anything of the flesh does not please the Lord.

We have two extremes. The folks who hold no bars and think immodesty is fine, and those who have outlandish dress standards that are nigh unto the Amish. Both are fleshly.
Concur. Holiness doesn't die, but people can get so sick of legalistic codes presented wioth a "line up or split hell" spirit that they kill the codes, and then all to often flip to the opposite extreme.
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Concur. Holiness doesn't die, but people can get so sick of legalistic codes presented wioth a "line up or split hell" spirit that they kill the codes, and then all to often flip to the opposite extreme.
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