Lies Concerning Capitalism

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

DM. I hear you and am proud that we can be brothers even though we may disagree on exactly how the government should function.

Is murder a religious view? Do you consider abortion murderous? "Unwanted pregnancy" may sound better, but isn't it the same thing: murder for convenience (unwanted child)? Why do you stop short of homosexual marriage and include visitation rights? What guides your philosophy?

I think you'll find that our ideas are often shaped by our worldviews, and many of those worldviews are shaped by our philosophy of life, which in many cases is religious (or iconoclastic). It's not so easy to cut a line down on this. Our very moral law is because of a moral law Giver. See what I mean? As a society, we have a voice to determine what sort of society we want, as long as the maxims of freedom and liberty are upheld. However, those maxims are held in check by the moral conscience of the constituents of our nation. Because of that, I'm not only unsupportive of abortion, but am passionately against it in the majority cases.

The Church doesn't need a political state that collects tithes and gives sermons, but the ecclesia can be a moral conscience to the nation it lives in, especially this great nation which has given its citizens a voice.

p.s. your comments about conservatives "dying off" and American being a "liberal nation" couldn't be farther from the truth. America is a slightly-to-the-right-of-center nation.

Jeffery, it's an honor to converse with a man of ideas and not narrow-minded ideaology. I'll answer your question with a question. Is abortion murder? Is wearing a condom a sin? Are sexual relations only for the purpose of reproduction or for pleasure also? Like I said, I don't support abortion personally, but it's not my decision to make. I believe it's a woman's right to choose. You may call it murder as a religous person but the law does not recognize an embroyo as a person. I prefer women have a safe and legal medical procedure rather than some backroom alley and a coat hanger. How about pastors that support abortion in the case of rape or incest? Are those murders religously acceptable? I believe marriage is a God ordained institution and therefore should not be extended to include homosexuals since there is no recognition of God in their actions. I don't know how a center right nation elected Barack Obama. We may be center right on social values but 50/50 on economic policy.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

Jeffery, it's an honor to converse with a man of ideas and not narrow-minded ideaology. I'll answer your question with a question. Is abortion murder? Is wearing a condom a sin? Are sexual relations only for the purpose of reproduction or for pleasure also? Like I said, I don't support abortion personally, but it's not my decision to make. I believe it's a woman's right to choose. You may call it murder as a religous person but the law does not recognize an embroyo as a person. I prefer women have a safe and legal medical procedure rather than some backroom alley and a coat hanger. How about pastors that support abortion in the case of rape or incest? Are those murders religously acceptable? I believe marriage is a God ordained institution and therefore should not be extended to include homosexuals since there is no recognition of God in their actions. I don't know how a center right nation elected Barack Obama. We may be center right on social values but 50/50 on economic policy.

The pleasure is mine.

So you consider (and admit) that abortion is a form of contraception? The problem is, condoms prevent conception, abortions terminate something already conceived. This fact would also rule out sexual relations, etc.

So, why don't you personally support abortion? Do you support condom wearing?

I believe it's as much a woman to choose as it is a murderer to choose. The caveat (which we surprisingly usually center the abortion debate on rare exceptions) is when the mother's life is in jeopardy. Pastors who feel mom's should abort children conceived by rape have unfortunately let their emotion and compassion blind what is right and what is wrong. In the case of the mother's life, it is the saving of life that is at stake, not convenience or death.

Actually, I believe America is center on social policy, and right of center on economics. Saying the word "socialism" or "taxes" goes a long way Any studies we can reference to find out more? Seems like I've seen quite a few on this topic. America elected Barack with a conscience of wanting to do the right thing at a historical moment, moved by a person of charisma (versus an old, tired and flip-flopping McCain) and moved by promises in the middle of economic hardship. My opinion of course. I'm sure more concrete and objective studies would show us more.