Am I God?

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Originally Posted by gloryseeker

You see, I agree with you that God is not flesh and that He is Spirit, but if we were to get into a Godhead debate then you would have to contradict yourself unless you hold to more of a trinity view.

Eph 3:9

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Col 1:15-16

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

There is no contradiction, because oneness regards PERSON and not flesh. Not many realize the single person of God is the true oneness issue. There is no contradiction.

But if you say God is not flesh, but yet you believe the word was made flesh and did not simply indwell flesh, then you actually contradict yourself. If the word was made into flesh, and not merely tented in flesh, then God is flesh, because the Word is God. There is no way around it.

[Nitehawk013]

I think there will likel;y always be a measure of uncertainty in our grasp of the Godhead. Likely because as humans we don't have a means of really understanding the nature of God who is a spirit. Therefore there will always be a measure of disconnect. We will not be able to truly wrap our minds around the Godhead until we shake off this mortal coil and see God in heaven. Then perhaps we will finally have the complete understanding of how God could be both God in heaven and Jesus in flesh.

[jmarkoa]

Originally Posted by JoeHardy07

Hey,

I'm having some problems. I believe that Jesus is God. My problem comes from John 17:20-26.

In this passage Jesus is praying for his disciples and all those that believe in His name. Jesus desires that all the believers be one as He (Jesus) and the Father are one. Jesus says in the latter part of 22, "...that they may be one, even as we are one."

Uhm...Ok, Jesus is God, right? When I read Jesus' statement, "I and my Father are one," I have the understanding that Jesus is God. My trouble comes when Jesus says that he wants all the believers to be one with God too.

So, I believe in Jesus. Does this mean that I am one with the Father? Does this mean that I am God????

I'm really perplexed here.

Then you may want to consider if your initial assumption is correct. Is it really OK to say that Jesus is God? Those three words, in that order, are not in any scripture in the KJV of the Bible. Why not just quote the Bible and say Jesus is the Son of God? Is it OK to remove "the Son of" from scriptures? There is a clear principle taught in the Bible to not add to or take away from the word of God. Any time you do that there is likely to be a problem with other scriptures.

Instead of thinking that "I and my Father are one" means I and my Father are the same, consider looking at how the scriptures teach the word one elsewhere in the Bible. An example is how a woman and a man come together in marriage and "...they shall be one flesh." Does that mean their flesh is the same? Or, the scripture that says, "...That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God...". Does that mean we all should have the the same mind and same mouth? Clearly, there are even other examples that show that the word "one" does not always mean same.

So you have to ask yourself, do you believe in oneness as the bible teaches? Or, do you not believe in oneness, but rather sameness? They are quite different viewpoints...

Mark