24 Hrs.Days Or Not ?

[Scott Hutchinson]

http://www3.telus.net/csabc/DaysInGenesis1.html

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Do you think God created things that look way older than they are? (See Randy's post.)

No. I believe a gap occurred between the first two verses of Genesis 1, since the FALL of Lucifer in Isaiah 14 has events associated with it that are also mentioned in Jeremiah 4 where we are told they occurred in the time before the world was void and without form.

Check out some thoughts I had about this: http://www.mikeblume.com/renovat1.htm

I believe the earth is millions of years old. But the days of "creation" were actually RENOVATION of a world MADE void and without form, and the renovation occurred 6,000 years ago.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No. I believe a gap occurred between the first two verses of Genesis 1, since the FALL of Lucifer in Isaiah 14 has events associated with it that are also mentioned in Jeremiah 4 where we are told they occurred in the time before the world was void and without form.

Check out some thoughts I had about this: http://www.mikeblume.com/renovat1.htm

I believe the earth is millions of years old. But the days of "creation" were actually RENOVATION of a world MADE void and without form, and the renovation occurred 6,000 years ago.

What's your explanation of Rom 5:12 and death entering?

[Bowas]

I am going to do my best and not get wrapped up in this debate this time on this forum. Having said that, the word "day" has a much broader definition than the most common usage of the word "day" to indicate a 24 hour period of time.

Here is Stong's definition:
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יום
yôm
yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

If, as many propose, the word "day" as it is used in Gen. 1 must be and demands it is a 24 hour day, then there appears to be a problem and perhaps even an impossibility.
Look at this verse and notice what was called "days" in chapter one, is now called "generations" (indicating it is no doubt just referring to a span or a period of time), now here comes the problem. The totality of the creative "days" have not only now been called "generations" but all the "days/generations" (7 of them) are now referred to as "THE DAY" (singular)making it all to have happened in a single 24 hour period of time.
It is just an era.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

As far the evening and sunrise terms in chapter 1, merely refers to as one day/generation/era was fading away, a new day/generation/era was begining.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

What's your explanation of Rom 5:12 and death entering?

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.

Two things.
One, it is speaking only of mankind here. And two, there is a thought that this is only talking about spiritual death. Somehow people have it in their heads that Sabre tooth tigers and crocs were vegetarians before the fall.
The fact is that mankind was INNOCENT before the Fall, but that sin already existed in the universe. It began when Satan and his angels rebelled. One can see where the Universe was created, for the sole purpose of providing a reason for Jesus to come and redeem not just man, but ultimately all of creation.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.

Two things.
One, it is speaking only of mankind here. And two, there is a thought that this is only talking about spiritual death.

Considering the thought of only spiritual death, why is it that after this chapter introduces the need to deal with death that chapter 6 shows our baptism into Jesus Christ's death, which was very physical? Christ's physical death was involved in us dealing with the death Adam brought to he world.

And Physical death was not mentioned to Adam and Eve until after they sinned where it is mentioned amidst the penalties for their sin. Not that spiritual death did not occur, but both forms of death resulted from sin, as far as I can see it.

Just thought to remark about this point.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

What's your explanation of Rom 5:12 and death entering?

I believe it regarded mankind.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I believe it regarded mankind.

What is the basis of your thought that would limit it when it doesn't limit itself by it's wording?

[Nitehawk013]

Kent Hovind would have a few bones to pick with most of these posts.

I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but so would the Apostolic brother (Arlo Moehlenpah) who teaches young earth and spent most of his life as a College Chemistry teacher.