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[coadie]

'Death Panels' in Oregon?

Ethel C. Fenig
Perhaps former Governor Sarah Palin (R-Alaska) was referring to the tragic predicament of Barbara Wagner of Oregon when she wrote how she feared for the fate of her Down Syndrome son under "Obama's 'Death Panels.' "

Susan Donaldson James of ABC News reports on the letter Ms. Wagner received from the Oregon Health Plan in response to a $4000 a month drug her doctor prescribed after her lung cancer, long in remission, returned..


the insurance company refused to pay.

What the Oregon Health Plan did agree to cover, however, were drugs for a physician-assisted death. Those drugs would cost about $50.


Hmmmm, let's do the math. Yep, a one time prescription of $50 sure is cheaper than $4000 a month for who knows how many months to keep a 64 year old woman alive. So the Oregon "Death Panel" graciously offered suicide pills. Or doctor assisted murder.


But Ms. Wagner had an understandably different reaction.



"It was horrible," Wagner told ABCNews.com. "I got a letter in the mail that basically said if you want to take the pills, we will help you get that from the doctor and we will stand there and watch you die. But we won't give you the medication to live."

We have the groundwork for this. Obama lies again and again. He has a track record of corruption. With his deplorable reputation, we can't trust him.

The liberals hate Gov Palin who was open and honest about this. So is on the mark. Yesterday I heard the Dems clamor about the Insurance company between the patient and the doc. Now it is the government that wants in the docs office and put the IRS in there also.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by coadie

'Death Panels' in Oregon?

Ethel C. Fenig
Perhaps former Governor Sarah Palin (R-Alaska) was referring to the tragic predicament of Barbara Wagner of Oregon when she wrote how she feared for the fate of her Down Syndrome son under "Obama's 'Death Panels.' "

Susan Donaldson James of ABC News reports on the letter Ms. Wagner received from the Oregon Health Plan in response to a $4000 a month drug her doctor prescribed after her lung cancer, long in remission, returned..


the insurance company refused to pay.

What the Oregon Health Plan did agree to cover, however, were drugs for a physician-assisted death. Those drugs would cost about $50.


Hmmmm, let's do the math. Yep, a one time prescription of $50 sure is cheaper than $4000 a month for who knows how many months to keep a 64 year old woman alive. So the Oregon "Death Panel" graciously offered suicide pills. Or doctor assisted murder.


But Ms. Wagner had an understandably different reaction.



"It was horrible," Wagner told ABCNews.com. "I got a letter in the mail that basically said if you want to take the pills, we will help you get that from the doctor and we will stand there and watch you die. But we won't give you the medication to live."

We have the groundwork for this. Obama lies again and again. He has a track record of corruption. With his deplorable reputation, we can't trust him.

The liberals hate Gov Palin who was open and honest about this. So is on the mark. Yesterday I heard the Dems clamor about the Insurance company between the patient and the doc. Now it is the government that wants in the docs office and put the IRS in there also.

And what excuse are they using to include the IRS?

The government has used the IRS as the KGB for America to increase fear. This should not be. The IRS powers need to be reviewed and taken away. They are only supposed to be a collector of money.

[coadie]

These critics, however, didn't take the time to find out to what Palin was referring when she used the term "level of productivity in society" as being the basis for determining access to medical care. If the critics, who hold themselves in the highest of intellectual esteem, had bothered to do something other than react, they would have realized that the approach to health care to which Palin was referring was none other than that espoused by key Obama health care adviser Dr. Ezekial Emanuel (brother of Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel).

The article in which Dr. Emanuel puts forth his approach is "Principles for Allocation of Scarce Medical Interventions," published on January 31, 2009. A full copy is embedded below. Read it, particularly the section beginning at page 6 of the embed (page 428 in the original) at which Dr. Emanuel sets forth the principles of "The Complete Lives System."

While Emanuel does not use the term "death panel," Palin put that term in quotation marks to signify the concept of medical decisions based on the perceived societal worth of an individual, not literally a "death panel." And in so doing, Palin was true to Dr. Emanuel's concept of a system which


considers prognosis, since its aim is to achieve complete lives. A young person with a poor prognosis has had a few life-years but lacks the potential to live a complete life. Considering prognosis forestalls the concern the disproportionately large amounts of resources will be directed to young people with poor prognoses. When the worst-off can benefit only slightly while better-off people could benefit greatly, allocating to the better-off is often justifiable....
When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated.

Put together the concepts of prognosis and age, and Dr. Emanuel's proposal reasonably could be construed as advocating the withholding of some level of medical treatment (probably not basic care, but likely expensive advanced care) to a baby born with Down Syndrome. You may not like this implication, but it is Dr. Emanuel's implication not Palin's.

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.co...ath-panel.html

[coadie]

And what excuse are they using to include the IRS?
The government has used the IRS as the KGB for America to increase fear. This should not be. The IRS powers need to be reviewed and taken away. They are only supposed to be a collector of money.

IRS can determine if the doc makes too much profit. Remember they are going to cut costs. The 1018 page document ahs a lot IRS involvement. If an Outpatient surgery center and it's docs make too much, they will lower reimbursement.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by coadie

'Death Panels' in Oregon?

Ethel C. Fenig
Perhaps former Governor Sarah Palin (R-Alaska) was referring to the tragic predicament of Barbara Wagner of Oregon when she wrote how she feared for the fate of her Down Syndrome son under "Obama's 'Death Panels.' "

Susan Donaldson James of ABC News reports on the letter Ms. Wagner received from the Oregon Health Plan in response to a $4000 a month drug her doctor prescribed after her lung cancer, long in remission, returned..


the insurance company refused to pay.

What the Oregon Health Plan did agree to cover, however, were drugs for a physician-assisted death. Those drugs would cost about $50.


Hmmmm, let's do the math. Yep, a one time prescription of $50 sure is cheaper than $4000 a month for who knows how many months to keep a 64 year old woman alive. So the Oregon "Death Panel" graciously offered suicide pills. Or doctor assisted murder.


But Ms. Wagner had an understandably different reaction.



"It was horrible," Wagner told ABCNews.com. "I got a letter in the mail that basically said if you want to take the pills, we will help you get that from the doctor and we will stand there and watch you die. But we won't give you the medication to live."

We have the groundwork for this. Obama lies again and again. He has a track record of corruption. With his deplorable reputation, we can't trust him.

The liberals hate Gov Palin who was open and honest about this. So is on the mark. Yesterday I heard the Dems clamor about the Insurance company between the patient and the doc. Now it is the government that wants in the docs office and put the IRS in there also.

You're off your rocker if you buy into this "death panel" business.

Palin is just trying to stay in the news. Maybe if she were so concerned about "death panels" she would have stayed in government where her opinion actually counted for something. Now she is relegated to posting on Facebook.

The ironic aspect in all of this is that she told people to "quit making things up" in her resignation speech as governor. Perhaps she could follow her own advice.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Esther

'Death Panels' in Oregon?

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2001
February 22: Born Alive Infants Protection Act (Senate Bill 1095) was first introduced in the Illinois Senate.

March 28: Then State Senator Barack Obama voted "NO" on the bill in the Senate Judiciary Committee. (Re: dating, the bill was introduced one day, and the vote was held the next. The tally is dated the day the hearing on the bill began.)

March 30: Obama spoke against the bill on the Senate floor.

March 30: Obama voted "PRESENT" on the Senate floor.




2002
January 30: Born Alive Infants Protection Act (Senate Bill 1662) was reintroduced after failing to become law the prior year.

March 6: Then State Senator Barack Obama voted "NO" on the bill in the Senate Judiciary Committee.

April 4: Obama spoke against the bill on the Senate floor.

April 4: Obama voted "NO" on the Senate floor.

July 18: Congress passed the federal version of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act.

August 5: The federal version of the Born Alive Infants Protection was signed by the President into law.




2003
February 19: Born Alive Infants Protection Act (Senate Bill 1082) was reintroduced after failing to become law the prior year.

March 13: After first voting for an amendment to make the Illinois Born Alive Infants Protection Act identical to the federal version, Obama voted against the bill. (Re: dating, the bill was introduced one day, and the vote was held the next. The tally is dated the day the hearing on the bill began.)


Of course Obama was caught lying during the campaign about how he voted against "born alive child protection"

He has a shrinking batch of koolaid drinking supportes that defend his lying.

Oh so if a child is born and found to have down syndrome, they can just fix it right there.
So he lied about suppporting infanticide. Of course we expect the same behavior from his corruption on elderly.
Obama is not in favor of the sanctity of human life.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Twisp

You're off your rocker if you buy into this "death panel" business.

Palin is just trying to stay in the news. Maybe if she were so concerned about "death panels" she would have stayed in government where her opinion actually counted for something. Now she is relegated to posting on Facebook.

The ironic aspect in all of this is that she told people to "quit making things up" in her resignation speech as governor. Perhaps she could follow her own advice.

I think you have the wrong person in the rocking chair.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Esther

I think you have the wrong person in the rocking chair.

I very well might be off my rocker, but not because of this misinformation.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Twisp

I very well might be off my rocker, but not because of this misinformation.

What misinformation?

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Esther

What misinformation?

All of the misinformation that is floating out there about this plan.

There are no death panels, and those that continue to promote this term are spreading misinformation.