Is God Free to Not Chose to Love and Save All...?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

No maybes. It is useless to discuss plain scripture with one who creates a whole new doctrine other than that found in scripture. I don't find your universal reconciliation anywhere in scripture.

How much have you looked?

(Romans 5. 18) Notice first the parallel structure of the verse: "Therefore just as one man's trespas led to condemnation for all [humans],

so one man's act of righteousnes leads to justification and life for [them] all.

It is not hard to find if you are looking.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by crakjak

how much have you looked?

(Romans 5. 18) Notice first the parallel structure of the verse: "Therefore just as one man's trespas led to condemnation for all [humans],

so one man's act of righteousnes leads to justification and life for [them] all.

It is not hard to find if you are looking.

About 24 years...

It's okay...people add stuff into the Word all the time...

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

About 24 years...

It's okay...people add stuff into the Word all the time...

Thanks for your input.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Did you know Origen taught unconditional salvation also?

Is God a just God? Can God lie?

Isa 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

Let post the verses following this one and see "who":

Isaiah 33:14-18 (King James Version)


14The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

15He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;

16He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.

17Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off.

18Thine heart shall meditate terror. Where is the scribe? where is the receiver? where is he that counted the towers?


Apparently, God does use "fire" to prune and refine His creation.

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by Chan

Well, it only matters how the BIBLE uses the word. No, hate in the Bible does not mean to love less and you are espousing a vile doctrine from the very pit of Hell (not the city in Michigan) - a kind of mushy, "God loves everybody, there is no sin, God is not angry with the wicked" false gospel common in so many churches today.

The Greek word used in the passage I referred to has the following meanings and ONLY the following meanings:

1. to hate, pursue with hatred, detest
2. to be hated, detested

Again, it was GOD who said "Jacob have I loved, but Esau I hated." You CANNOT get around that.

Do you apply the above definition to the word "hate" in Luke 14:26?

Do you hate your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

Do you apply the above definition to the word "hate" in Luke 14:26?

Do you hate your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters?

Hey, Bro.
Chan no longer posts here, he was a regular, don't know what happened to him. I really miss him, even bought a book that he wrote on the Godhead.

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Hey, Bro.
Chan no longer posts here, he was a regular, don't know what happened to him. I really miss him, even bought a book that he wrote on the Godhead.

LOL I didn't even notice the dates when I posted. Ha Ha on me.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by crakjak

....or, is He constrained by the very nature of His being, is God bound to love and save all?

If God loves you and desires the very best for you, how could sending your children, parents or other loved ones to "endless torment" or extermination, be consistent with loving and desiring the best for you?? Will He not instead by His love and power bring all your loved ones to salvation as well?

Is wiping your memory of your loved ones loving? Why instead wouldn't God simply continue pursuing your loved ones until they surrender to His irresistible love.

Crakjak,Is every word in the bible true ? Does it mean what it says word for word ?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Of course God hates evil, because it is in such contrast to His holiness. But He also loves His creation, and to say Jesus did not die for the sins of the whole world is of the worst heresy. I hate evil but there is not one human being that I know of that I believe deserves billions and billions of years of endless torment without any hope of rehabilitation. The doctrine of eternal damnation without any hope of every being redeemed is the source of more evil and wickedness than we can imagine. The wars that we are witnessing around the globe today are rooted in this ungodly, manmade doctrince that is the root of almost every religion in the world. Where is the good news, what is the gospel??? Your gospel has primarily horrible news, except for a few elite it is the worst possible news.

Does God have the power to save and redeem His creation?

Does God Will to save all His creation?

Or like Calvin and Chan believes, does God HATE the vast majority of HIS creation?

How will God save these people if they die the second death? By the way,people being tormented with out end is very false.

Rev.020:012And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
020:013And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 020:014And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.(cease to exist)020:015And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Heb.009:027And as it is appointed unto men once to die,(cease to exist) (In the flesh) but after this the judgment

Rev.002:011He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death (cease to exist)
James005:020Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death,(cease to exist) and shall hide a multitude of sins

Rom.006:021What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.(cease to exist) 006:022But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
006:023For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Math.10 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy(cease to exist) both soul and body in hell.

Luke20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die(cease to exist)any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection