When Does Life Begin?

[Nina]

On another thread, it has been said that life begins when the embryo produces it's own blood.

I believe life begins at conception.
You know,
when the lucky little squiggler breaks through and the "spark"
begins.

What do You think?

Nina

[RandyWayne]

Well, the blood starts flowing and the brain starts "braining" at near the exact same time. And prior to that, a majority of fertilized eggs don't make it.

Which leads me to believe that that "spark" when the soul and spirit are created happens when the physical body is read to receive it.

But..... I really doubt there is anything I could ever say to change your, or anyone else's, mind.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Nina

On another thread, it has been said that life begins when the embryo produces it's own blood.

I believe life begins at conception.
You know,
when the lucky little squiggler breaks through and the "spark"
begins.

What do You think?

Nina

I agree with you.

Others will quote the life is in the blood.

That may be true but you have to be 2 cells coming together to "beome life"

All of your Genetic code is found in the very first meeting of these 2 cells.

I know we have been through the genetic testing with our son...

Your genetic code does not mutate to become a fetus then a baby then a child than an adult.

The gene's and chemicals in the cells as they split become active.

The cell in your bone marrow at 70 has nothing more than those first 2 cells that met to become you.

The act of dying is the forces of the environment coming in contact with your cells.

You are never more pure of a creature then the very first cells who become one.

As the cells began to regenerate and split from 2 cells to 4 then 4 to 8 etc.

The next set of cells become weaker and weaker.

That is the reason for the body aging...

I could say more....

You are simply at your greatest form genetically at the joining of the first 2 cells.

Even if you become a genetic recessive disorder.

Your greatest order is at the joining of the 2 cells...

Take that to the abortion folks....

[Nina]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Well, the blood starts flowing and the brain starts "braining" at near the exact same time. And prior to that, a majority of fertilized eggs don't make it.

Which leads me to believe that that "spark" when the soul and spirit are created happens when the physical body is read to receive it.

But..... I really doubt there is anything I could ever say to change your, or anyone else's, mind.

Bro,

Does this mean that You endorse embryonic stem cell research?

Nina

[RandyWayne]

No.
Simply because adult stem cells are the ONLY ones that show any promise of anything. There is no need to use embryonic ones.
Plus, pro-abortionist/choicers don't make a distinction of "Human=heart pumping" and "non-human(yet)=heart not pumping".

The simple fact is is that you could take a cell from inside the cheek, combine it with another cheek cell, implant it in the uterious, and it could become a baby. (A carbon copy clone of the mother, albeit with a ton of genetic problems....)

[Nina]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I agree with you.

Others will quote the life is in the blood.

That may be true but you have to be 2 cells coming together to "beome life"

All of your Genetic code is found in the very first meeting of these 2 cells.

I know we have been through the genetic testing with our son...

Your genetic code does not mutate to become a fetus then a baby then a child than an adult.

The gene's and chemicals in the cells as they split become active.

The cell in your bone marrow at 70 has nothing more than those first 2 cells that met to become you.

The act of dying is the forces of the environment coming in contact with your cells.

You are never more pure of a creature then the very first cells who become one.

As the cells began to regenerate and split from 2 cells to 4 then 4 to 8 etc.

The next set of cells become weaker and weaker.

That is the reason for the body aging...

I could say more....

You are simply at your greatest form genetically at the joining of the first 2 cells.

Even if you become a genetic recessive disorder.

Your greatest order is at the joining of the 2 cells...

Take that to the abortion folks....

Brother,

You have studied this more than I.

At this point about all I have is a gut feeling that once conception occurs You have life.

I don't understand how or why anyone believes otherwise.

Thanks for Your input.

Nina

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Well, the blood starts flowing and the brain starts "braining" at near the exact same time. And prior to that, a majority of fertilized eggs don't make it.

Which leads me to believe that that "spark" when the soul and spirit are created happens when the physical body is read to receive it.

But..... I really doubt there is anything I could ever say to change your, or anyone else's, mind.

I have always held the belief that life begins at inception, BUT the argument of the life is in the blood, which has scriptural backing and corresponds with science has A LOT of merit to it.

[ChristopherHall]

I believe that we often resort to biological concepts in defining when life begins. However, theologically speaking, life begins in the heart and mind of the Creator. Life originates with God, not a biological process.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I believe that we often resort to biological concepts in defining when life begins. However, theologically speaking, life begins in the heart and mind of the Creator. Life originates with God, not a biological process.

You make a very good point, but in your point you also have to consider that God has bound Himself to His Word and a biblical case can be made for life being in the blood.

I am not advocating that as truth, but a very solid case can be made.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Nina

Brother,

You have studied this more than I.

At this point about all I have is a gut feeling that once conception occurs You have life.

I don't understand how or why anyone believes otherwise.

Thanks for Your input.

Nina

My information came from a Frech doctor who was at the Great Lakes Genetic Medical center in Milwaukee, WI.

Our first son was born with Fanconi Anemia a very rare recessive blood disorder.

When we went to have a second child.

We wanted to try and have a child to match his bone marrow type.

In 1993 the advancements of today were not available.

The very first selection of bone marrow typing done in a dish at the splitting of cells after conception in a lab.

For the purposes of selecting a human to not have a genetic disease and match another sibblings mone marrow type was done at Fairview University Hospital in Minn, MN.

A few years ago.

The girl that was born and matched her brothers Bone marrow as a perfect match.

Was born to save her older 3 year old brother who had Fanconi Anemia.

They then took his T-Cells from the cord blood and administered a Bone marrow transplant with the T-cells.

The richest T-cells a person will ever have in their body are the cord blood T-Cells which are trasferred at the cutting of the cord.

In hard births these cells are cut off and cause jaundice.

It takes up to 14 days for the Bone Marrow to produce enough T-cells when that happens for a baby to be secure.

That is why many jaundice births require a child to be placed in an incubator.


Our second son did not match our first son.

Our youngest son still has a 25% chance of being a Fanconi carrier of the recessive gene.

The chance of my wife and I having the same recessive genetic disorder is one in 340,000 chances of 2 people having a child.

That is increased with the fact there is only a 25% chance that each of our children would have the disease.

The person who matched my son was a 24 year old white male from the eastern timezone of the US.

He has never agreed to come forward.

We do however send him pictures and notes through the BMT registration center.

He has sent prayers and continued hopes back to our son.

My thoughts are why did such a young man take the time to donate his Bone Marrow for a child?

I personally think he was in the military or he is in prison.

In both of these cases thier bone marrow is typed when a DNA extraction is taken when entering both system.

Only 10 % of those that donate Bone Marrow refuse to have personal contact 3 years after survival of the patient.

The same French doctor told us that this man is in our genetic family bloodline according to his DNA profile.

It was a great act of kindness this man gave us and my son.

Here is my sons website.

My wife has kept it for over 4 years.

He had his transplant at Fairview University Hospital in July 2004.

Priase the Lord!

http://www.caringbridge.org/wi/johna...tadt/index.htm