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Old 09-25-2007, 10:06 PM
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another arph question

Was there sin and death outside of Eden before A&E fell into temptation?




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Old 09-25-2007, 10:35 PM
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Was there sin and death outside of Eden before A&E fell into temptation?




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There was death else there'd be no need for a Tree of Life..........
Sin was in the garden, A&E just partook of it by disobeying God........
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Old 09-25-2007, 10:59 PM
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We don't know how long animals and humans existed before Adam and Eve sinned. So, was there the process of birth, life, death going on for some time or not? Is the death that came as a result of man's sin physical or spiritual or both?
If physical, did that mean that nothing died (animal or plant) prior to the rebellion of Adam and Eve?
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:27 AM
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There was death else there'd be no need for a Tree of Life..........
Sin was in the garden, A&E just partook of it by disobeying God........
What about God foreknowing they would sin and be susceptible to death, so He made the remedy for death in the fruit of Life before Adam and Eve even sinned? Recall that death only came due to sin. And since God gave Adam dominion over the world, there was no sin in the world unless it came by Adam.

I think the New Testament lays this forth, because the pattern for the cross is found here.
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I wrote a book and put this thought in it...

Adam would not die unless he sinned. Death came by sin. Nothing could die before Adam and Eve's sin, since Romans 5 teaches that sin came by ONE MAN.

Rom 5:12 KJV Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

We cannot circumvent that passage.

The fruit of Life was only said to restore everlasting life after death came into the fray when Adam sinned.

Gen 3:22 KJV And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:


He would not have died before his sin, anyway. So the only conclusion for reading that God would mention the fruit of life would render Adam to never die must be that God had the remedy for the sin in the fruit BEFORE sin came into the human race. The Lord was slain from the foundation of the world! FOREKNOWLEDGE.

And yet GOD BARS MAN from the tree, while it had the ability to make him live forever after he sinned. Why? Why bar man from the remedy? The remedy would only render him immortal. But there had to be a death in order for man to be redeemed and sinless again. And of course this was to happen through Christ's death.

Had man been rendered immortal with sin in his life, there would be no chance for his salvation, since salvation occurs through the death of Christ identifying with our need to die due to sin.

So in reality, God was protecting man by barring him from the fruit of life after man sinned. Had man eaten of the fruit with sin still in his life, and no remission of sin, man would remain away from God forever with no hope of recovery. We know now that the plan of salvation for man was identification with Christ's death. But unless man could die, himself, the death of Christ could not STAND FOR man's death. Man had to be susceptible to death in order for Christ to vicariously die as man, and redeem him. So God barred man from the fruit of life after man's sin.

The fruit of life is now in the form of Christ, who hung on a tree, for us to spiritually eat his broken flesh and shed blood (indications of HIS DEATH) for us to have eternal life!

The only death outside the Garden would have been spiritual death in the devil. We read of the serpent possessed by the devil.

Gen 3:1 KJV Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Rev 12:9 KJV And the great dragon was cast out, that old (OF ANCIENT TIMES) serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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Old 11-11-2007, 09:41 PM
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Its hard for me to imagine that the animals would have all lived forever if Adam hadn't sinned.
But then again, that's just my perception of it, not something I can say is based on any scripture . I've never really given it that much thought. Interesting to consider I guess (for a minute or 2).
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Old 11-12-2007, 09:58 AM
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God created man in his own image or like unto Him, God is eternal thus so was man. Since animals were hardly after His own image I believe they would have passed on.
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