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10-26-2007, 08:08 PM
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*** [Exclusive] Resolution 3: The Bloodbath and Inquisition begins ****
As predicted by many ... the recently passed Resolution 3 is beginning to be used as a device for disfellowship and divisiveness.
Based on the report of an active church member in church ministry ....
Just today, the District Superintendent of Mississippi has invoked Resolution three to ensure that a UPCI evangelist canceled a prior commitment he had w/ this church.
This week this church was supposed to have a healing and deliverance crusade with a UPC evangelist from Virginia. Today, less than 24 hrs before it was to start the District Supt. called to inform the pastor, who has recently gone independent, that the evangelist would not be able to preach at this newly independent church. He invoked resolution 3 in this matter and said if the evangelist came to this church he would lose his license. The church is now left holding the the proverbial bag ... a crusade sans an evangelist.
Has anyone heard of other recent cases in which Resolution 3 has been used in a similar fashion, yet?
I am not sure this District Supt. had the backing of the entire district board to make this decision. A reading of the resolution says he must have the blessing of the district board. This resolution was supposed to stop rogue DS's from making unilateral decisions for disfellowship, as was the practice for many years. Nor do I know if this newly departed pastor has been officially placed on a blacklist.
Do you think Res. 3 will be tested w/ the formation of the new UC org that will begin in January?
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Lastly, if you are not sure what Res. 3 states, it reads:
Whereas there has not been a clear definition of the terms "under question" and "conduct unbecoming a minister," and
Whereas there seems to be a difference in these terms,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that article VII, Section 7, Paragraph 21 is changed to read as follows:
21. No minister who withdraws or is dropped from our fellowship, whose conduct is under question, shall be allowed to preach for any of our ministers, nor pastor any of our churches. Neither shall any minister of the United Pentecostal Church International fellowship be allowed to preach or participate in any form in any services (except funerals and weddings) sponsored or conducted by any minister who has withdrawn or been dropped, whose conduct is under question. This does not apply to anyone being used in any capacity in his or her local assembly, with the exception of the position of associate pastor or assistant pastor.
(a) The term "under question" shall be taken to mean a formal decision by a District Board reflecting a concern that conduct in flagrant violation of the Manual of the United Pentecostal Church International has occurred.
(b) The term "conduct unbecoming a minister" shall be taken to mean any conduct of a moral, financial, or ethical nature that would cause a reproach upon the ministry.
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10-26-2007, 08:17 PM
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10-26-2007, 08:18 PM
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Names are being protected ... however I think this is the beginning of a possible bloodbath ... of disfellowshipping ... especially when the new UC org begins .... and as more cons and libs start dropping out.
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10-26-2007, 08:30 PM
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16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Proverbs 6:16-19
How many of the above verses could be applied to the attitude and actions of those who judge, malign, shun and disfellowship fellow members of the Body of Christ and who tell ministers where they may or may not minister?
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10-26-2007, 08:32 PM
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I'm always amazed how you get your info so quick. Leave it to the Borat District to get the party started.
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10-26-2007, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
As predicted by many ... the recently passed Resolution 3 is beginning to be used as a device for disfellowship and divisiveness.
Based on the report of an active church member in church ministry ....
Just today, the District Superintendent of Mississippi has invoked Resolution three to ensure that a UPCI evangelist canceled a prior commitment he had w/ this church.
This week this church was supposed to have a healing and deliverance crusade with a UPC evangelist from Virginia. Today, less than 24 hrs before it was to start the District Supt. called to inform the pastor, who has recently gone independent, that the evangelist would not be able to preach at this newly independent church. He invoked resolution 3 in this matter and said if the evangelist came to this church he would lose his license. The church is now left holding the the proverbial bag ... a crusade sans an evangelist.
Has anyone heard of other recent cases in which Resolution 3 has used in a similar fashion, yet?
I am not sure this District Supt. had the backing of the entire district board to make this decision. A reading of the resolution says he must have the blessing of the district board. This resolution was supposed to stop rogue DS's from making unilateral decisions for disfellowship, as was the practice for many years. Nor do I know if this newly departed pastor has been officially placed on a blacklist.
Do you think Res. 3 will be tested w/ the formation of the new UC org that will begin in January?
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Lastly, if you are not sure what Res. 3 states, it reads:
Whereas there has not been a clear definition of the terms "under question" and "conduct unbecoming a minister," and
Whereas there seems to be a difference in these terms,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that article VII, Section 7, Paragraph 21 is changed to read as follows:
21. No minister who withdraws or is dropped from our fellowship, whose conduct is under question, shall be allowed to preach for any of our ministers, nor pastor any of our churches. Neither shall any minister of the United Pentecostal Church International fellowship be allowed to preach or participate in any form in any services (except funerals and weddings) sponsored or conducted by any minister who has withdrawn or been dropped, whose conduct is under question. This does not apply to anyone being used in any capacity in his or her local assembly, with the exception of the position of associate pastor or assistant pastor.
(a) The term "under question" shall be taken to mean a formal decision by a District Board reflecting a concern that conduct in flagrant violation of the Manual of the United Pentecostal Church International has occurred.
(b) The term "conduct unbecoming a minister" shall be taken to mean any conduct of a moral, financial, or ethical nature that would cause a reproach upon the ministry.
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And to think people think Res 4 was the bad resolution to be passed. This is a control freaks dream resolution
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10-26-2007, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam
16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Proverbs 6:16-19
How many of the above verses could be applied to the attitude and actions of those who judge, malign, shun and disfellowship fellow members of the Body of Christ and who tell ministers where they may or may not minister?
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A hearty amen, Elder.
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10-26-2007, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
And to think people think Res 4 was the bad resolution to be passed. This is a control freaks dream resolution
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Well put!
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10-26-2007, 08:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
As predicted by many ... the recently passed Resolution 3 is beginning to be used as a device for disfellowship and divisiveness.
Based on the report of an active church member in church ministry ....
Just today, the District Superintendent of Mississippi has invoked Resolution three to ensure that a UPCI evangelist canceled a prior commitment he had w/ this church.
This week this church was supposed to have a healing and deliverance crusade with a UPC evangelist from Virginia. Today, less than 24 hrs before it was to start the District Supt. called to inform the pastor, who has recently gone independent, that the evangelist would not be able to preach at this newly independent church. He invoked resolution 3 in this matter and said if the evangelist came to this church he would lose his license. The church is now left holding the the proverbial bag ... a crusade sans an evangelist.
Has anyone heard of other recent cases in which Resolution 3 has been used in a similar fashion, yet?
I am not sure this District Supt. had the backing of the entire district board to make this decision. A reading of the resolution says he must have the blessing of the district board. This resolution was supposed to stop rogue DS's from making unilateral decisions for disfellowship, as was the practice for many years. Nor do I know if this newly departed pastor has been officially placed on a blacklist.
Do you think Res. 3 will be tested w/ the formation of the new UC org that will begin in January?
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Lastly, if you are not sure what Res. 3 states, it reads:
Whereas there has not been a clear definition of the terms "under question" and "conduct unbecoming a minister," and
Whereas there seems to be a difference in these terms,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that article VII, Section 7, Paragraph 21 is changed to read as follows:
21. No minister who withdraws or is dropped from our fellowship, whose conduct is under question, shall be allowed to preach for any of our ministers, nor pastor any of our churches. Neither shall any minister of the United Pentecostal Church International fellowship be allowed to preach or participate in any form in any services (except funerals and weddings) sponsored or conducted by any minister who has withdrawn or been dropped, whose conduct is under question. This does not apply to anyone being used in any capacity in his or her local assembly, with the exception of the position of associate pastor or assistant pastor.
(a) The term "under question" shall be taken to mean a formal decision by a District Board reflecting a concern that conduct in flagrant violation of the Manual of the United Pentecostal Church International has occurred.
(b) The term "conduct unbecoming a minister" shall be taken to mean any conduct of a moral, financial, or ethical nature that would cause a reproach upon the ministry.
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Without ALL of the info, all I see is that a DS did what was well within his authority to do. We have no info one way or the other about the newly independent minister.
To be honest, I thought this had been the case for years. In order for a preacher to go into another area and preach for a church that is non- UPC, he must first get the approval of the local UPC pastor and the DS. At least that is what I thought was the case.
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10-26-2007, 08:46 PM
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Is the DS required to notify the church/preacher they are "in questioned" status?
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