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Old 09-12-2007, 07:42 AM
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Why would a triune formula have been used in the early church when the candidate for baptism was declaring, in his baptism, his repentance and saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ? Baptism had nothing to do with one's view of the nature of God, but with one's view of the person and work of Jesus Christ.

The NT call was to repentance and faith. This faith was to be directed toward Jesus Christ. As I've pointed out elsewhere, baptism was the time at which a confession "of Christ" was required. Christ said, "He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me" (John 12:44). It makes tremendous sense that any baptismal invocation would have been in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Just curious, do you think it was not?
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Old 09-23-2007, 10:31 PM
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...and things went quiet in that thread for over a week!
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Old 10-17-2007, 04:56 PM
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Reading and understanding the Bible as it is Authored by GOD himself.Surely he as the Founder of his OWN book understands its about him and for him.As it is for us to use it to understand him as he leads and guides us.With that in mind

Some say NO ONE ever to be BORN is suppose to understand where Moses is burried however Eph says that there is One baptism or burial place.Scripture teaches us that it is to draw us unto HIM and in him.The Law given to us by GOD to Moses to be given to the world was burried in YESHUA or in Jesus name.Look at the Mt Transfiguration Scene.Jesus as he is Fully GOD shows us where Moses is at ,in Christ. So yes the Baptism is to be in GODS salvation whom he is manifested as a Living SOUL.Follow the Laws of Moses and will wind up where Moses is burried at ,IN YESHUA.


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Old 10-18-2007, 12:10 PM
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Reading and understanding the Bible as it is Authored by GOD himself.Surely he as the Founder of his OWN book understands its about him and for him.As it is for us to use it to understand him as he leads and guides us.With that in mind

Some say NO ONE ever to be BORN is suppose to understand where Moses is burried however Eph says that there is One baptism or burial place.Scripture teaches us that it is to draw us unto HIM and in him.The Law given to us by GOD to Moses to be given to the world was burried in YESHUA or in Jesus name.Look at the Mt Transfiguration Scene.Jesus as he is Fully GOD shows us where Moses is at ,in Christ. So yes the Baptism is to be in GODS salvation whom he is manifested as a Living SOUL.Follow the Laws of Moses and will wind up where Moses is burried at ,IN YESHUA.


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I disagree. Follow the law of Moses and find yourself in battle over Moses' body, like Satan did with Michael. But follow Christ's law and the body is resurrected into newness of life!

Paul said those who follow law ar eunder a curse, for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who continues not to do all the things written in law."
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Old 10-22-2007, 12:37 PM
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I understand how you differ but remember the old Covenant is when you were yet still in your sins ,destined for eternal Punishment.The New Covenant is when one is Born again.


The NT books are Commentaries of the ancient manuscripts ,what you call as the Old Testament.I am sorry you dont have the revelation ,besides it is IN YOUR NT where MOSES is at.He Lived back then and is shown in the days of the Apostoles.Yeshua doesnt LIE and yet GIVES you a Glimpse and yet you deny.Why is this?No wonder you agree with the Trinitarains and there doctrine which brings about disagreements and disunity.


Romans ch six says what about death burial and resurection.WHen Yeshua was in the earth them three days and three nights gathering the saints.wow.



anyhow understand where your comming from however ya need to get up to speed or up to date with Truth.


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I understand how you differ but remember the old Covenant is when you were yet still in your sins ,destined for eternal Punishment.The New Covenant is when one is Born again.
Nevertheless, the Old Covenant is said to be Law and will put one under a curse, since no one can keep it. If one begins to consider keeping ANY PART of Law, one is required to do it "all". Paul's revelation on this is missed by so many.

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The NT books are Commentaries of the ancient manuscripts ,what you call as the Old Testament.
IN PART. Mostly, though, they were commentaries of the words of Christ.

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I am sorry you dont have the revelation ,besides it is IN YOUR NT where MOSES is at.He Lived back then and is shown in the days of the Apostoles.Yeshua doesnt LIE and yet GIVES you a Glimpse and yet you deny.Why is this?No wonder you agree with the Trinitarains and there doctrine which brings about disagreements and disunity.
That is classic legalism!

I doubt you will get this, but perhaps a reader will. Paul's revelation is not caught by many, and you seem yet another who missed it. Law is self improving self with the knowledge of good and evil. Before Abraham's promise was to be fulfilled, God sent law to make sin realized to be exceedingly sinful as it really was. God could not give grace and righteousness as a gift, without works, until first man fully realized he would not be able to cut it himself without God's help, as Adam and Eve tried. So Law proved to man that man cannot improve himself. Then Grace and righteousness of God could come.

Gal 3:19 KJV Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Rom 7:13 KJV Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.


Law was only a schoolmaster for Israel to bring them to Christ. Paul told the Galatians that they were not Israelites who needed to come to Christ. They were gentiles who were erring tremendously in thinking they could implement law into their Christianity. Chapter 4 shows that Law was the elements of the world, carnal ordinances, that flesh related to, and said the Galatians were lowering themselves into using Law which was Kindergarten for pre-Christ Israel only. And chapter 3 says that anyone who thinks they can keep law is misled and will be cursed, because one must keep it all or else one is cursed. No one can keep it all.

The apostle Peter said Law was a yoke no man could bear.

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Romans ch six says what about death burial and resurection.WHen Yeshua was in the earth them three days and three nights gathering the saints.wow.
("Them three days and nights." lol)

What is your point about Romans 6??? It is a chapter teaching that we are dead to sin and leads up to truths regarding being dead to law in 7. We are not under law.

Rom 6:14 KJV For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Rom 7:4 KJV Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Rom 7:6 KJV But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

The law is the ministration of death as opposed to the ministration of SPIRIT.

2Co 3:6 KJV Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 KJV But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

2Co 3:9 KJV For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

Mr Astern., you need the new testament revelation Pau lreceived concerning law. Law is flesh improving flesh with knowledge of good and evil. GOD KNEW it would not work, but gave it to Israel to prove to them it cannot work. And this was necessary before Grace came.

Rom 3:19 KJV Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Rom 3:20 KJV Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
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