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Old 09-14-2007, 12:51 PM
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Serious Pants/ Skirts Question... Not Trying to Debate... Thanks!

Please understand that I am not trying to stir the proverbial pot here. I have a sincere question that I am trying to find the answer to.

Consider the hypothetical: A person, say a baptist preacher somewhere in the US where there is no OP church etc..., is studying the bible, and seeking God in prayer. During this time of seeking God, he discovers the truth of Jesus name baptism, Holy Ghost infilling and tongues, and the oneness of God. Now in trying to please God, and studying the scriptures for more truth, this baptist (formerly baptist) minister stumbles across Deut 22:5. In his study, and considering society of the last 30 years (say this pastor is @ 30 years old), he is trying to find a way to apply gender distinction in dress in a way that is relevant for today. In the society he has grown up in, both women and man wear pants. So in his study he DOES NOT come to the same conclusions regarding pants/skirts that traditional OP's adhere to. Is this person's position acceptible in the sight of God? He is now teaching his congregation and baptizing them in Jesus name, teaching them to seek the Holy Ghost, and is teaching them to lead a seperated life, but he simply has not come to the same conclusion as OP's regarding pants/skirts. Is this a tenable positions for this "baptist" minister? Can he maintain this position and still be acceptible in the sight of God?
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Old 09-14-2007, 12:58 PM
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Please understand that I am not trying to stir the proverbial pot here. I have a sincere question that I am trying to find the answer to.

Consider the hypothetical: A person, say a baptist preacher somewhere in the US where there is no OP church etc..., is studying the bible, and seeking God in prayer. During this time of seeking God, he discovers the truth of Jesus name baptism, Holy Ghost infilling and tongues, and the oneness of God. Now in trying to please God, and studying the scriptures for more truth, this baptist (formerly baptist) minister stumbles across Deut 22:5. In his study, and considering society of the last 30 years (say this pastor is @ 30 years old), he is trying to find a way to apply gender distinction in dress in a way that is relevant for today. In the society he has grown up in, both women and man wear pants. So in his study he DOES NOT come to the same conclusions regarding pants/skirts that traditional OP's adhere to. Is this person's position acceptible in the sight of God? He is now teaching his congregation and baptizing them in Jesus name, teaching them to seek the Holy Ghost, and is teaching them to lead a seperated life, but he simply has not come to the same conclusion as OP's regarding pants/skirts. Is this a tenable positions for this "baptist" minister? Can he maintain this position and still be acceptible in the sight of God?
Yes, he can. That scripture was never about women wearing pants. We took it that way, because at the time UPC was formed MOST women wore dresses. HOWEVER, it is my opinion that scripture is talking about cross genders like the gays.

In other words, you dress to appear at the opposite sex. Never has been about women wearing pants.

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Yes, he can. That scripture was never about women wearing pants. We took it that way, because at the time UPC was formed MOST women wore dresses. HOWEVER, it is my opinion that scripture is talking about cross genders like the gays.

In other words, you dress to appear at the opposite sex. Never has been about women wearing pants.

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Absolutley. If he was "formerly" a baptist pastor, chances are he actually has some thoelogicical training in how to discern or exegete scripture. If he's got some working knowledge of a greek.hebrew lexicon he can look up the wording of Deut 22:5 and see that the "man" in that verse came from the hebrew "Geber", not Iyish or Adam as we see translated to mean "man" in other scriptural applications.

The woman shall not put on the apparrel of a warrior or manufactured articles used to make war.

Deut. 22:5 NEVER EVER NEVER had the implied meaning we oneness pentecostals have given it.

At one time in my life I thouhgtit did because a preacher told me it did.

I have come to realize he was wrong in teaching this and so was I for believing him without knowing what the word really said.
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Please understand that I am not trying to stir the proverbial pot here. I have a sincere question that I am trying to find the answer to.

Consider the hypothetical: A person, say a baptist preacher somewhere in the US where there is no OP church etc..., is studying the bible, and seeking God in prayer. During this time of seeking God, he discovers the truth of Jesus name baptism, Holy Ghost infilling and tongues, and the oneness of God. Now in trying to please God, and studying the scriptures for more truth, this baptist (formerly baptist) minister stumbles across Deut 22:5. In his study, and considering society of the last 30 years (say this pastor is @ 30 years old), he is trying to find a way to apply gender distinction in dress in a way that is relevant for today. In the society he has grown up in, both women and man wear pants. So in his study he DOES NOT come to the same conclusions regarding pants/skirts that traditional OP's adhere to. Is this person's position acceptible in the sight of God? He is now teaching his congregation and baptizing them in Jesus name, teaching them to seek the Holy Ghost, and is teaching them to lead a seperated life, but he simply has not come to the same conclusion as OP's regarding pants/skirts. Is this a tenable positions for this "baptist" minister? Can he maintain this position and still be acceptible in the sight of God?
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He's lost as two boys kissing.
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sure he is ok, and can maintain his standing, i do it everyday, dt,oloroid
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I really would like to get the opinions of some of the conservative brethren. Serious opinions, not jabs like "lost as two boys kissing"... thanks!
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