TD Jakes on the Godhead

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Droug

Fellowship is what the UPCI was all about in the first place.


This is my first post to this forum. I have enjoyed reading all the post for quite sometime now. It has been both a blessing and educational.

This one thread has really caught my attention. The one thing I do believe with out doubt is, HOW CAN YOU WIN A SOUL TO THE LORD IF YOU ARE NOT THEIR FRIEND? How do you make friends if you do not FELLOWSHIP?

Beating an ol bush to death, Jesus dined with sinners, He spent time with them. For what purpose? I would say He wanted to show them He loved them and wanted to be their Friend.

Now about FELLOWSHIP. I was raised UPCI from birth, and still am, my parents were not always pentecostal. I thank God for my heritage but I must say that we fall very short on FELLOWSHIP within our ranks.

If you don't look like me, don't talk like me, etc.... I can't associate with you, I might be defiled or something. This has got to stop! I know that in the times we live time is very precious but what is it all about anyway! My church has people that do not look the part, if you know what I mean, but they are loved just the same. There are churches in our ranks that call us charasmatic, but they have never FELLOWSHIPPED us! These people in our church are just as much a part of us as anyone else. But because they know the stance of our leadership, and they truly love everyone regardless of how they look, they are not involved in leadership positions. This what other churches do not see and understand.

Now how in the world are we going to win souls if we use this criteria in our midst. Sinners do not come off of the street looking all pentecostal and everything!! Folks if we do not open our eyes we are gonna have a lot of blood on our hands come judgement day!

I am sorry for rambling and I don't know if I really said it the way I really feel. I get so frustrated sometimes with issues and find it hard to put my feelings into words.

Folks we got to LOVE people as they are without judging them. Let God do His work!!!!

In Christ Love.

Droug, good thoughts. I am with you on this matter. I am a Mod/Lib, but respect my Mod/Con Brothers and Sisters. I feel that the UPCI does a good job of saving face for somethings, NAYC, GC and a few others. But the real test is in the district. The UPC church I used to go to was considered liberal. No one fellowshipped us, except for a couple of churches. Those churches had to watch out though, because the would torn up by gossip for hanging with us. So they were close, but not too close.

I know there are people in this movement that would love to fellowship with others, Mods, Cons, and Libs alike. Though that does not happen consistantly. For me as I said I am more Mod/Lib that anything else. But I don't care if someone mistakes me for a Mod/Con because I hang and fellowship with them. I would hope they would feel the same, though they don't for the most part. There is a thin line between friends and fellowship. You can invite the Libs to Cons events, just to "save face." But the fact is that there is not a level playing field. I would like to feel that the Mod/Cons would strive for fellowship, but the fact of the matter is that, as it seems, they draw lines that we can not cross. You have to do these things, 1,2,3,4, or else we can not hang out. It should not be about acquiescing to someone beliefs it is holding on to your beliefism, but fellowshipping inspite of the differences.

[Droug]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Droug, good thoughts. I am with you on this matter. I am a Mod/Lib, but respect my Mod/Con Brothers and Sisters. I feel that the UPCI does a good job of saving face for somethings, NAYC, GC and a few others. But the real test is in the district. The UPC church I used to go to was considered liberal. No one fellowshipped us, except for a couple of churches. Those churches had to watch out though, because the would torn up by gossip for hanging with us. So they were close, but not too close.

I know there are people in this movement that would love to fellowship with others, Mods, Cons, and Libs alike. Though that does not happen consistantly. For me as I said I am more Mod/Lib that anything else. But I don't care if someone mistakes me for a Mod/Con because I hang and fellowship with them. I would hope they would feel the same, though they don't for the most part. There is a thin line between friends and fellowship. You can invite the Libs to Cons events, just to "save face." But the fact is that there is not a level playing field. I would like to feel that the Mod/Cons would strive for fellowship, but the fact of the matter is that, as it seems, they draw lines that we can not cross. You have to do these things, 1,2,3,4, or else we can not hang out. It should not be about acquiescing to someone beliefs it is holding on to your beliefism, but fellowshipping inspite of the differences.

JTULLOCK, I guess what bothers me most is that people are so hung up on rules and regulations that they cannot let go and let God move.
You could say that I am a MOD. Some would say leaning to the LIB side, others would consider me CON. If people would get back to putting God first as they should, everything else would be non issues.
In the end, if you put everything at His Feet, a life pleasing to God is gonna be the result!!

In Christ Love!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Droug

JTULLOCK, I guess what bothers me most is that people are so hung up on rules and regulations that they cannot let go and let God move.
You could say that I am a MOD. Some would say leaning to the LIB side, others would consider me CON. If people would get back to putting God first as they should, everything else would be non issues.
In the end, if you put everything at His Feet, a life pleasing to God is gonna be the result!!
In Christ Love!

Very well said!