A Personal Message to all of My Conservative Friends

[Nahum]

From MOW's Thread:

The Admins have been in a discussion on the subject of making a clearer definition of what we mean on AFF when we say Apostolic. If we were a ministry, we would need a clearer definition of where we stand. But this is a fellowship, a discussion board - it is not a ministry - it is a place where people can come and have good clean fellowship. We want to allow for discussion within the broader range of what it means to be Apostolic. Therefore we have put this together with the approval of the Owners and Admin.

Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum, Apostolic being defined as follows:

Apostolic is defined on AFF as those that believe that every sinner must repent of their sins, and that Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism. That the Holy Ghost is for today, and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life pleasing to God.

I wonder if this new AFF Affirmation Statement had something to do with this?

BTW, I think Ferd is correct.

1. There is a whole lot of political spin from the admin, owners, and moderators on this thread. Fine by me. I just don't think MOW wanted to be pigeon-holed here.

2. Further, I get tired of hearing the conservatives whine about the content of AFF. I also am weary of hearing others say how much they miss the conservatives voice on AFF. Hello people! If the conservatives can't stand the heat, maybe they should leave the kitchen. The most telling sign of this idiotic drama was when a poster with new found "conservatism" lectured us, saying that "unity demands that less conservative Apostolics live conservatively, so as not to offend conservatives" (paraphrase).

Pardon me, but how insane is that? For you to keep posting on AFF I need to change what I believe and/or shut up? For you and I to have fellowship I must obey everyone of your silly pre-1950's rules? I am so sorry to disappoint my conservative friends, but I have no intention of capitulating to such dictatorial demands.

3. There are many internet options for all of us. There are opportunities to move on down the road if and when AFF morphs into something personally unacceptable.

4. With the advent of email, instant messages, chat rooms, and forums such as these, the idea that one can stop the flow of information is archaic and silly.


I'm gonna go crawl back under my bridge now.


PP

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I'm gonna go crawl back under my bridge now.


PP

Catch a fish or two while you are under there...assuming theres water of course.

Careful,

Bridges are collapsing without any apparent reason for it.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Careful,

Bridges are collapsing without any apparent reason for it.

True, that.

[sola gratia]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

From MOW's Thread:



I wonder if this new AFF Affirmation Statement had something to do with this?

BTW, I think Ferd is correct.

1. There is a whole lot of political spin from the admin, owners, and moderators on this thread. Fine by me. I just don't think MOW wanted to be pigeon-holed here.

2. Further, I get tired of hearing the conservatives whine about the content of AFF. I also am weary of hearing others say how much they miss the conservatives voice on AFF. Hello people! If the conservatives can't stand the heat, maybe they should leave the kitchen. The most telling sign of this idiotic drama was when a poster with new found "conservatism" lectured us, saying that "unity demands that less conservative Apostolics live conservatively, so as not to offend conservatives" (paraphrase).

Pardon me, but how insane is that? For you to keep posting on AFF I need to change what I believe and/or shut up? For you and I to have fellowship I must obey everyone of your silly pre-1950's rules? I am so sorry to disappoint my conservative friends, but I have no intention of capitulating to such dictatorial demands.

3. There are many internet options for all of us. There are opportunities to move on down the road if and when AFF morphs into something personally unacceptable.

4. With the advent of email, instant messages, chat rooms, and forums such as these, the idea that one can stop the flow of information is archaic and silly.


I'm gonna go crawl back under my bridge now.


PP

Times are changing and I will tell you why...

Forums such as this one and others where ideas are exchanged freely, and interaction is occurring, and information is given, is slowly decaying the ultra conservative view, whose sole basis of existence to this point has been the ally of fear and lay-ignorance..

that is no longer true. A Christian can now come online... search for answers.. exchange information with others who love Jesus, and find the truth...

As this happens conservative dogma fails to stand in the light of sensible thought and logic... producing tantrums, outbursts and fear, such as you are witnessing!... In this manner the information age is just that... providing info to the searching, beyond the grip of those that seek to oppress!

[OP_Carl]

Since you wrote this personally to me, a conservative:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

From MOW's Thread:
I wonder if this new AFF Affirmation Statement had something to do with this?

Hard to say. It's their board, I reckon they can run it as they see fit.

BTW, I think Ferd is correct.

He's just guessing.

1. There is a whole lot of political spin from the admin, owners, and moderators on this thread.

It's their board, I reckon they can run it as they see fit.

Fine by me.

You say this here, and then contradict it, below.

I just don't think MOW wanted to be pigeon-holed here.

More guesswork.

2. Further, I get tired of hearing the conservatives whine about the content of AFF.

Log off.

I also am weary of hearing others say how much they miss the conservatives voice on AFF.

Log off.

Hello people!

Hi. How you doin?

If the conservatives can't stand the heat, maybe they should leave the kitchen.

What's good for the goose . . .

The most telling sign of this idiotic drama was when a poster with new found "conservatism" lectured us, saying that "unity demands that less conservative Apostolics live conservatively, so as not to offend conservatives" (paraphrase).

One anecdote from one person represents an entire paradigm? You won't like it so much when this template is pointed at you.

Pardon me, but how insane is that?

Speaking as somebody in the measurement business, this is a difficult parameter to measure and compare. Given the fluid, mysterious, and subjective nature of insanity, it tends to be measured on the following scale:

Idealist
Romantic
Dingbat
Nutty
Froot Loop
Loony
Whackjob
Moonbat
Crazy
Pretty Insane
Psychotic
Schizophrenic
Clinically Insane
Criminally Insane
Perverted Freak of Nature
Congressman

For you to keep posting on AFF I need to change what I believe and/or shut up? For you and I to have fellowship I must obey everyone of your silly pre-1950's rules?

Single incident = broad brush again?

I am so sorry to disappoint my conservative friends, but I have no intention of capitulating to such dictatorial demands.

Who would respect you if you did?

3. There are many internet options for all of us. There are opportunities to move on down the road if and when AFF morphs into something personally unacceptable.

Amen.

4. With the advent of email, instant messages, chat rooms, and forums such as these, the idea that one can stop the flow of information is archaic and silly.

One word captures the whole thing.

I'm gonna go crawl back under my bridge now.

Scoot over. My tinfoil hat needs repair.

[Charlie Brown]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

Times are changing and I will tell you why...

Forums such as this one and others where ideas are exchanged freely, and interaction is occurring, and information is given, is slowly decaying the ultra conservative view, whose sole basis of existence to this point has been the ally of fear and lay-ignorance..

that is no longer true. A Christian can now come online... search for answers.. exchange information with others who love Jesus, and find the truth...

As this happens conservative dogma fails to stand in the light of sensible thought and logic... producing tantrums, outbursts and fear, such as you are witnessing!... In this manner the information age is just that... providing info to the searching, beyond the grip of those that seek to oppress!

[sola gratia]

Say what you want – conservatives are falling by the way side – as well as their forums.. as information is exchanged – ultra cons are slowly eroding away

Originally Posted by sola gratia

Say what you want – conservatives are falling by the way side – as well as their forums.. as information is exchanged – ultra cons are slowly eroding away

I don't fall. I don't erode.

[Sacerdotal]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

Say what you want – conservatives are falling by the way side – as well as their forums.. as information is exchanged – ultra cons are slowly eroding away

I'm not sure what you would call me - con, lib or mod - but I do have a term in mind after reading this post.

Puke.

No matter where you stan on issues this kind of posts sounds like its challenging God.