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Old 07-27-2007, 08:16 AM
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Does Time Exist?

Here is an interesting scientific article in Discover magazine if your into that type of thing!

Newsflash: Time May Not Exist
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Old 07-27-2007, 08:34 AM
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Here is an interesting scientific article in Discover magazine if your into that type of thing!

Newsflash: Time May Not Exist
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Old 07-27-2007, 08:38 AM
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I did not read the article.

But in truth, time exist only in the natural realm that progresses from youth to old, from evening to evening, from Winter to winter. Time does not exist in the spiritual world being eternal, but state only. There is a change is state in the spiritual world, subsequent one to other which may be seen as time.
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The events he probes last for about 100 attoseconds, or 100 quintillionths of a second. For a little perspective, 100 attoseconds is to one second as a second is to 300 million years.

But even Krausz works far from the frontier of time. There is a temporal realm called the Planck scale, where even attoseconds drag by like eons. It marks the edge of known physics, a region where distances and intervals are so short that the very concepts of time and space start to break down. Planck time—the smallest unit of time that has any physical meaning—is 10-43 second, less than a trillionth of a trillionth of an attosecond. Beyond that? Tempus incognito. At least for now.
I love this type of stuff. I can imagine SOME people reading this and saying "nope. too small. doesn't happen. what humanistic hogwash! yup."

Great article! Thanks for publishing the link.
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Old 07-27-2007, 10:37 AM
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“I recently went to the National Institute of Standards and Technology in Boulder,” says Lloyd. (NIST is the government lab that houses the atomic clock that standardizes time for the nation.) “I said something like, ‘Your clocks measure time very accurately.’ They told me, ‘Our clocks do not measure time.I thought, Wow, that’s very humble of these guys. But they said, No, time is defined to be what our clocks measure.Which is true. They define the time standards for the globe: Time is defined by the number of clicks of their clocks.”

Rovelli, the advocate of a timeless universe, says the NIST timekeepers have it right. Moreover, their point of view is consistent with the Wheeler-DeWitt equation. We never really see time,” he says. “We see only clocks. If you say this object moves, what you really mean is that this object is here when the hand of your clock is here, and so on. We say we measure time with clocks, but we see only the hands of the clocks, not time itself. And the hands of a clock are a physical variable like any other. So in a sense we cheat because what we really observe are physical variables as a function of other physical variables, but we represent that as if everything is evolving in time.
I have always found it impossible to comprehend what heaven will be like when time is no more. Will our watches not move? Will everything freeze into a position?

The only thing that makes sense to me is that time no longer matters.
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Old 07-27-2007, 10:43 AM
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There were some things in the article which made the concept of a grand unification theory seem like a distance comprehensible possibility.

The concept that there is nothing in physics that says time cannot go in either direction yet seems to only march in ONE direction coupled with the fact that it had a "start" -the moment of the Big Bang when all physics (including time, and even math!) came into being, and continues in part, as a result of the expansion of the Universe. I am seeing "dark energy" in there somewhere......
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Oh it exists all right, but it will come to an end..........

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Revelation 10:5 - 6 (KJV) 5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

How can it be "no longer" if it did not exist in the first place?
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these guys need a bible study.

God didnt create time to govern quantium physics. He created time to govern the lives of men.
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Old 07-27-2007, 12:10 PM
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God didnt create time to govern quantium physics. He created time to govern the lives of men.
Of course that would be like saying "Jesus didn't create 'sub-particles' at the wedding... He created wine!".
Which of course was just teaming with quantum sub particles.....

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How can it be "no longer" if it did not exist in the first place?
There are four forces that govern how particles interact: magnetism, gravity, and the strong and weak atomic sub-atomic forces. Time and space add dimension and complexity to these four. The amazing thing is that all SIX of these eventually break down and become one at extremes such as the tiny amounts of time spoken about in the article as well as singularities of the kind found in super massive black holes and the time JUST prior to the big bang.

Can one living now envision a reality where one and one do not equal two? Of course not. Just as imaginary beings living in a 2 dimensional plane could not envision a 3rd dimension. This is why the greater spiritual realm is completely foreign to us and undefinable (for the most part) by modern physics. Those 2 dimensional beings may quite possibly be able to describe a 3rd dimension and show math proving it's existence, but their senses and physical understand are not able to comprehend it.
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If time doesn't exist, it would explain why I never have enough.

And, if time is money, it would also explain why I never have enough of that, either!
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