Conspiracy theories

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Maybe we should ask donfriesen1?

His whole argument was based on an incorrect interpretation of one scripture which he defended with massive amounts of prose.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

His whole argument was based on an incorrect interpretation of one scripture which he defended with massive amounts of prose.

Yes, so just imagine individuals like our friend Don, throughout history doing the same thing with this topic?

With recording history we have to be a good detective. We must focus on traceable evidence. No one does anything in a corner, everything over time is revealed. It is very hard for family wealth to survive for generations. As well as family control. Power is a commodity which everyone wants. Oligarchs vie for control over this world. This issue with modern Jews is that for hundreds of years they were made to stay in communities call ghettos. Their religion was a separatist religion. They dealt in money changing since Rome. Business and banking. Zionism is yet another story which is diametrically opposed to Judaism, a religion. These two groups battle it out for the title or the definition what is a Jew? Rabbinical Judaism contests that Zionism is a political system void of God. Zionism merely uses God and the terms Jew, antisemitism, and holocaust as political terms to move their agenda forward without hinderance from the non Jew. The rank and file of modern Jews are as perplexed concerning Judaism, and Zionism. They are culturally Jewish, and are either pro Israel, or anti Israel. Religious or atheist. They look at people claiming that Jews are lurking in the shadows as bigotry of those who are non Jews, or supremacist in belief.

The Jews living today aren’t related to the tribes in the Bible. They are descendants of Arabs, eastern Europeans, Slavs, Russians, and Spaniards.
My personal opinion is that the whole conspiracy concerning modern Jews. Is far more nuanced. Then we could ever discuss in one thread. Again, there were many oligarchs made up of different races. These people live in different countries. All trying to gain control, clawing their way to the top.

Our focus is to ourselves first. To understand the truth contained in the Bible, to know Jesus, and to have Him as our Pastor. Leading us through the power of His Spirit.

[Evang.Benincasa]

A History of Central Banking and the Enslavement of Mankind by Stephen Goodson

Follow the money.

[Amanah]

Sea Beast:
Rome/Vatican

Land Beast:
Edomite Herodians/Rothschilds/central banking


Revelation 13 KJV

BEAST OF THE SEA
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And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

BEAST OF THE LAND
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11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Maybe we should ask donfriesen1?

It's kind of like cats toying with a mouse,
Or Trump toying with Biden.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

It's kind of like cats toying with a mouse,
Or Trump toying with Biden.

[Amanah]

When the Bible says "Babylon is fallen" (Revelation 14:8, Revelation 18:2), it's referring to the fall of the corrupt and oppressive systems of the world, represented by Babylon.

In relation to Revelation 13, the fall of Babylon can be seen as a consequence of the rise and fall of the beasts:

- The Sea Beast (Rome) and the Land Beast (Religion) represent the corrupt systems of power and worship.
- The fall of Babylon portrays the ultimate defeat of these corrupt systems.
- Revelation 13 and Revelation 14 present a contrast between the false worship of the beasts and the true worship of God.

In this context:

- The fall of Babylon represents the liberation from oppressive systems.
- Revelation 13 warns against the temptation to worship the beasts (the corrupt systems).
- Revelation 14 announces the ultimate victory of God and the Lamb over these systems.

By connecting the fall of Babylon to Revelation 13, we see a narrative of:

- Corruption and oppression (Revelation 13)
- Judgment and defeat (Revelation 14)
- Ultimate victory and redemption (Revelation 15-22)

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

According to various conspiracy theories, the ultimate goal of the alleged Edomite or Herodian conspiracy goes beyond world domination and includes:

1. Destruction of the Israelites or Jews: Some theories propose that the Edomites seek revenge for their historical defeats and seek to eradicate the Jewish people.

The "Jewish people" include Edom. The modern Jewish people are not identical to the Israelites of the Old Testament or even the "Jews" (Judeans) of the New Testament. They are a mixed group of people united by "Jewish identity". The Edomite portion is a small subset of "Jews".

Many of the royal families of Europe also claim Edomite ancestry via Herod and his relatives. Most of these royals tend to be the "Black nobility" so called, which also from what I can tell run the College of Cardinals of the Vatican and therefore are the actual holders of power within the Papacy. They seem to at least have the money bags anyway, and as they say "follow the money" to see who's actually in charge of things.

It is my current understanding that world politics is essentially a family dispute between Jacob and Esau (their respective descendants). Both family lines have their own version of who gets the estate from grandpa Abraham. Jacob's version of the story is what we call "The Bible". It would be expected that the descendants of Esau would have their own version of the story. "Jacob and his descendants have been stealing what is rightfully ours, so we got to get it back" etc.

The "world domination" thing is inherent to both families' understanding of the inheritance. For example:

Romans 4:13 KJV
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

It should also be pointed out that the Jacob/Esau conflict for control of the world does not imply that one side is good and the other evil. That is to say, it doesn't mean "Edom is the bad guys and Jacob is the good guys." Jacob's descendants have a long history of being "bad tribesmen", rebellious to God, evil, etc. Any cursory reading of the Old Testament will prove this. And as Paul points out, within Jacob the inheritance is not going to just any old Jacobite, but to those who are righteous by faith, ie those who are loyal subjects of the rightful King of Israel, Jesus Christ.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

- *George Soros*: Some theories claim that Soros, a billionaire investor and philanthropist, is a Rothschild agent or has connections to the family, allegedly influencing global politics and finance through his activities.


Please note that these claims are unsubstantiated and lack credible evidence. They are often based on unverifiable sources and conspiracy theories. Approach them critically and consider multiple perspectives.

That's funny right there. Check this out ----> https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/5878611

"The Quantum Group of Funds are privately owned hedge funds based on Curaçao (Netherlands Antilles) and Cayman Islands. They are currently advised by George Soros through his company Soros Fund Management. Soros started the fund in the early 1970's along with Jim Rogers The shareholders of the funds are not publicly disclosed although it is known that the Rothschild family and other wealthy Europeans put $6 million into the funds in 1969.
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Directors

Richard Katz

"An investment banker specializing in international finance, Mr. Katz was a director of N.M. Rothschild & Sons Limited, London, England from 1977 until March 1993, having joined them in 1969; he was also a managing director of Rothschild Italia S.p.A., Milan, Italy from its inception in 1989 until December 1993. Mr. Katz has been a supervisory director of Quantum Fund N.V., a Netherlands Antilles investment fund, or one of its subsidiaries, since 1986. "

So the guy who manages a bunch of Rothschild money also manages a bunch of Soros money. So clearly Soros and Rothschild are connected financially. Most likely Soros is a "bag-man" ie a front for Rothschild and/or other wealthy interests.

As for Trump, Trump is a long-time pal of Soros: https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald...e-soross-money

Trump appears to be a money laundering frontman for Soros: https://infiniteunknown.net/2016/12/...parent-reason/

[Esaias]

"Something analogous occurred in England when the century-long competition of the Barings and the Rothschilds culminated in the failure of the former in 1893; but in this case the Rothschilds came to the rescue of their rivals and prevented a universal financial catastrophe. It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Roths-childs that at the present time the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure."

From the Jewish Encyclopedia, "Rothschild" ---> https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/a...909-rothschild

The Rothschild family dynasty and international banking cartel is the middle-management of the Vatican's finances.