when i die

[phareztamar]

looking for any and all input from my friends here on AFF (except Bert) on this question. When I die, will I go and sleep with my fathers, or will I be absent from the body and present with the Lord?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by phareztamar

looking for any and all input from my friends here on AFF (except Bert) on this question. When I die, will I go and sleep with my fathers, or will I be absent from the body and present with the Lord?

To you, you will appear before the judgment seat of Christ, it will be Resurrection Day.

To everyone else, you will "sleep in Jesus" until we all get to that Day, too.

[phareztamar]

Originally Posted by Esaias

To you, you will appear before the judgment seat of Christ, it will be Resurrection Day.

To everyone else, you will "sleep in Jesus" until we all get to that Day, too.

from your input, it would seem that burial is removed from the equation. if I were to die in a car wreck on a Tuesday, and the funeral and burial isn't until Saturday, then my resurrection took place on Tuesday, not Saturday. is that correct?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by phareztamar

from your input, it would seem that burial is removed from the equation. if I were to die in a car wreck on a Tuesday, and the funeral and burial isn't until Saturday, then my resurrection took place on Tuesday, not Saturday. is that correct?

I think you misunderstood me. In your perception, you will go straight to Resurrection Day. But everyone else will shed a tear at your funeral, life will go on, etc, until the rest of us get to Resurrection Day.

The Bible aptly describes being dead as "sleep" because the dead are unconscious. You will not notice the days, weeks, years, centuries, or millennia that roll on between your death and Resurrection Day. For you, you will experience "dying"* and the next instant you will be experiencing the Resurrection. You will not be aware of the passage of time nor of anything that takes place on this earth.

* note: the process of dying continues for a short time after flatlining, several minutes or so, until all cerebral activity ceases permanently - until the Resurrection, that is.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by phareztamar

looking for any and all input from my friends here on AFF (except Bert) on this question. When I die, will I go and sleep with my fathers, or will I be absent from the body and present with the Lord?

You would be absent from body and consciously present with the Lord, consciously knowing life continues on earth for those who have not died, awaiting resurrection when you join your body again, but this time it will be immortal. Only the body sleeps as it were. Not your soul and spirit.

I believe Paul's words about hearing things not lawful to be uttered while having died means we do not sleep after death until judgment. 2 Cor 5 mentions absence from the body and presence with the Lord, and does not say anything about an apparent presence as though you slept in reality until judgment.

[Carl]

Read the book on Conditional Immortality which Esaias has provided the link to. Once you understand what a soul is it makes sense. Consciousness requires a body that is living and breathing. The soul is not a separate entity within or apart from the body which can exist disembodied.

[jediwill83]

So no living breathing body contact consciousness?

My great grandmother that was resurrected would disagree. She was stone cold dead and she went to heaven and was fully aware and was upset she came back.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I think you misunderstood me. In your perception, you will go straight to Resurrection Day. But everyone else will shed a tear at your funeral, life will go on, etc, until the rest of us get to Resurrection Day.

The Bible aptly describes being dead as "sleep" because the dead are unconscious. You will not notice the days, weeks, years, centuries, or millennia that roll on between your death and Resurrection Day. For you, you will experience "dying"* and the next instant you will be experiencing the Resurrection. You will not be aware of the passage of time nor of anything that takes place on this earth.

* note: the process of dying continues for a short time after flatlining, several minutes or so, until all cerebral activity ceases permanently - until the Resurrection, that is.

The hope of the Christian is the resurrection of the dead. Not the fact that our soul is immortal and never dies. Solid truth!

[Michael The Disciple]

M Blume

You would be absent from body and consciously present with the Lord, consciously knowing life continues on earth for those who have not died, awaiting resurrection when you join your body again, but this time it will be immortal. Only the body sleeps as it were. Not your soul and spirit.

Jesus said when we would be with him:

John 14:1-4

1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

We will be together when Jesus comes.

[phareztamar]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

So no living breathing body contact consciousness?

My great grandmother that was resurrected would disagree. She was stone cold dead and she went to heaven and was fully aware and was upset she came back.

God bless your great grandmother, but no grandmother stories trump the Word of God. Only looking for scriptural arguments, but thank you for your feedback.