Clinton Is the Best Choice For the Unborn:

[Aquila]

I've been trying to explain this for years. If you want to truly reduce the number of abortions in this country you have to address the needs and the concerns of women. Those needs and concerns are healthcare, income, poverty, contraceptives, education, cost of daycare, and family leave. Only the Democrats address these issues adequately. And that is why abortion rates have tended to drop under Democrats.

So, if you want to reduce the abortion rate and truly save the unborn....vote Democratic. If you want more lip service, more empty promises, less healthcare, lower incomes, more poverty, less access to contraceptives, less education, the elimination of family leave, and higher abortion rates....vote Republican.

The truth is that both parties are prochoice. But only one party truly addresses the issues and concerns of women and will, as a result, reduce the abortion rate.... the Democrats.

So, if you want progressive policies that reduce the abortion rate, vote Clinton. If you want more empty promises and higher abortion rates, vote Trump.

This isn't about prolife verses prochoice, because BOTH parties are prochoice in practice. This is about higher abortion rates vs. lower abortion rates. The Republicans are lying to you. Don't fall for Satan's bait and switch scheme. The lives of the unborn are depending upon you.

Hillary Clinton Is the Best Choice for Voters Against Abortion: http://m.christianpost.com/news/hill...on-170258/?m=1

[n david]

Malarky!

Clinton spent a two minute segment at the last debate defending why it should be legal for babies to be murdered up to and including the day of potential childbirth.

Democrats and pro-choicers in general are sadists, sacrificing the unborn to their sex god.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I've been trying to explain this for years. If you want to truly reduce the number of abortions in this country you have to address the needs and the concerns of women. Those needs and concerns are healthcare, income, poverty, contraceptives, education, cost of daycare, and family leave. Only the Democrats address these issues adequately. And that is why abortion rates have tended to drop under Democrats.

No they don't. Welfare is not a solution. All it does is create a dependency class in this country, who rely solely on the government to feed, house and clothe them. That's not helping people, that's helping themselves by bribing constituents to vote for them.

If Democrat policies toward poverty worked, we'd have no more poverty. Instead, we have increasing numbers of people on welfare and food stamps. What these people need are jobs, and that's what the Republicans bring to the table.

Democrats want people to depend on them. Republicans want people to depend on themselves and be independent. Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime. That's the difference between Democrat and Republican.

Yes, Republican policies expect people to actually work for themselves, but that's precisely what this country was founded upon; hard work and independence.

I'm sorry that you're too blind to see that.

[aegsm76]

A - you provide nothing more than words in your assertion.
It appears that you are trying to sooth your conscience in voting for HRC with these "words".
No links, no stats, nothing.
You are saying that the end justifies the means.
Just like the communists used to say.
Now, how about addressing the assertion that you made, (which I asked you to prove),and you have not.
"EVERY Administration since Reagan has used private email servers and has deleted their more sensitive email correspondence"
Or is it your "opinion" just as the above and you have nothing to prove it.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I've been trying to explain this for years. If you want to truly reduce the number of abortions in this country you have to address the needs and the concerns of women. Those needs and concerns are healthcare, income, poverty, contraceptives, education, cost of daycare, and family leave. Only the Democrats address these issues adequately. And that is why abortion rates have tended to drop under Democrats.

So, if you want to reduce the abortion rate and truly save the unborn....vote Democratic. If you want more lip service, more empty promises, less healthcare, lower incomes, more poverty, less access to contraceptives, less education, the elimination of family leave, and higher abortion rates....vote Republican.

The truth is that both parties are prochoice. But only one party truly addresses the issues and concerns of women and will, as a result, reduce the abortion rate.... the Democrats.

So, if you want progressive policies that reduce the abortion rate, vote Clinton. If you want more empty promises and higher abortion rates, vote Trump.

This isn't about prolife verses prochoice, because BOTH parties are prochoice in practice. This is about higher abortion rates vs. lower abortion rates. The Republicans are lying to you. Don't fall for Satan's bait and switch scheme. The lives of the unborn are depending upon you.

Hillary Clinton Is the Best Choice for Voters Against Abortion: http://m.christianpost.com/news/hill...on-170258/?m=1

This is the height of perversion. Talk about calling evil good and good evil. Vote for the woman who just defended full term abortion to the day of birth in a national presidential debate and said she's proud to stand in support of planned parenthood, who not only kills babies, but lets make it plain, inflicts upon them the most ruthless torture, that could make Hitler and ISIS blush, chopping them up alive then selling their organs.

And a "christian" says "vote for Hillary yo save the unborn". Thats among the most twisted immoral statements on any subject, that I've ever read.

[aegsm76]

A - look here. I found a table that contradicts one of your little assertions.
It shows that poverty rates have risen under the BHO admin.
2014 46,657 14.8
2013 46,269 14.8
2013 45,318 14.5
2012 46,496 15.0
2011 46,247 15.0
2010 46,343 15.1
2009 43,569 14.3
2008 39,829 13.2
Don't have time to battle the rest of your assertions.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Malarky!

Clinton spent a two minute segment at the last debate defending why it should be legal for babies to be murdered up to and including the day of potential childbirth.

Democrats and pro-choicers in general are sadists, sacrificing the unborn to their sex god.

We're talking about abortion rates. Not legality. Here's the deal, the Republicans aren't going to do anything about abortion. They NEED it every election to guilt trip Christians into voting for policies that are indeed against their best interests.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I've been trying to explain this for years. If you want to truly reduce the number of abortions in this country you have to address the needs and the concerns of women. Those needs and concerns are healthcare, income, poverty, contraceptives, education, cost of daycare, and family leave. Only the Democrats address these issues adequately. And that is why abortion rates have tended to drop under Democrats.

So, if you want to reduce the abortion rate and truly save the unborn....vote Democratic. If you want more lip service, more empty promises, less healthcare, lower incomes, more poverty, less access to contraceptives, less education, the elimination of family leave, and higher abortion rates....vote Republican.

The truth is that both parties are prochoice. But only one party truly addresses the issues and concerns of women and will, as a result, reduce the abortion rate.... the Democrats.

So, if you want progressive policies that reduce the abortion rate, vote Clinton. If you want more empty promises and higher abortion rates, vote Trump.

This isn't about prolife verses prochoice, because BOTH parties are prochoice in practice. This is about higher abortion rates vs. lower abortion rates. The Republicans are lying to you. Don't fall for Satan's bait and switch scheme. The lives of the unborn are depending upon you.

Hillary Clinton Is the Best Choice for Voters Against Abortion: http://m.christianpost.com/news/hill...on-170258/?m=1

Clinton belongs in jail. Repent for your complete willingness to support a criminal.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jito463

No they don't. Welfare is not a solution. All it does is create a dependency class in this country, who rely solely on the government to feed, house and clothe them. That's not helping people, that's helping themselves by bribing constituents to vote for them.

My mother was in welfare while I was growing up. My father walked out on us and suddenly she found herself as a single mother. She was on assistance until I entered Middle School. People talked welfare down so much it had a stigma that she hated, so she looked for work. She could only make minimum wage, so she had to work two jobs in order to make ends meet. Meanwhile, my grades crashed, I started skipping school, and breaking into yards and houses. I got into a lot of trouble. My first year of high school, I only attended 41 days. Mom was never home, had to work to pay the bills. She saw that she was losing me and she quit and got back on welfare. It took maybe 6 months to beat me back into obedience. LOL The schools unenrolled me that first year and listed me as a drop out. My mom re-enrolled me and I went back to high school. I got involved in JROTC and threw myself into my school work because that was all she'd allow me to do! LOL I made A's and B's and graduated, even gave the invocation at our graduation. I joined the Army and served as a Tanker (19K) and as a Combat Medic (91B10). I was in for 8 years. After getting out I worked in emergency medicine, therapeutic programming for the handicapped, and then I got into network security and database management, even got my MCSA. I'm no longer into emergency medicine, I got burned out. However, I'm working with security access controls now.

Do you know what creates dependency on welfare? Low, substandard, wages. If you can't make a living working, you gotta find a way to survive somehow. And let me tell you, working two jobs at $8 an hour just to barely survive isn't sustainable. Especially if you have kids that desperately need you as a parent. So, most either stay on welfare to survive or they get off welfare to work part time.... and do a little of their own "dealing" on the side. I've seen it first hand.

So, first....I'd like to say thank you to the American tax payer. I'm a success story. I'm a life that was changed and helped by the system. Also, I'd like to say there are millions more like me who are just too embarrassed to admit that they were raised on welfare.

If Democrat policies toward poverty worked, we'd have no more poverty. Instead, we have increasing numbers of people on welfare and food stamps. What these people need are jobs, and that's what the Republicans bring to the table.

You obviously don't know what the Democrat policies are truly intended to be for. We Democrats see welfare as a social safety net to keep single moms, single dads, and kids from free falling into destitution. Without any kind of assistance parents are forced to work two minimum wage jobs to keep a roof over their heads, due to the cost of living. Without any kind of insurance people are three times more likely to get involved in drug dealing, prostitution, or other illegal pursuits to survive. Welfare is designed to be a safety net. In Ohio you initially qualify for only 3 years public assistance. You must work at least 20 hours part time, volunteer, or attend school to receive benefits. The Democratic vision is to support single parents and their children while offering low earning single parents opportunities to further their education and increase their earning potential. And it is happening all the time, I've seen it and experienced it. My fiancé Christina works with St. Vincent de Paul and assists the homeless. Her job brings her into interacting with the Montgomery County Job Center. There people qualify for benefits, receive assistance in finding work, vocational training opportunities, and can apply for grants and student aid to assist with college. Don't believe the mess that everyone on welfare is lazy and doing nothing. It's a lie. There are thousands fighting and fighting hard to claw their way out, and many are succeeding.

Really? We saw a marked decrease in jobs under every Republican President we've had since Reagan. I know you didn't say that! ROFL!!!

Democrats want people to depend on them. Republicans want people to depend on themselves and be independent. Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime. That's the difference between Democrat and Republican.

Another lie. How you gonna teach a man to fish when he doesn't even have a rod, reel, line, boat, or tackle??? Republicans teach a man to fish and leave him standing empty handed on the shore line while they wiz on by waving on their yachts. Democrats will give a man rod, line, reel, and limited amount of tackle, teach him to fish, and then turn him loose on the shore side. If the man wants to survive, he'll find a way to get more tackle and keep his rod and reel.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jito463

Yes, Republican policies expect people to actually work for themselves, but that's precisely what this country was founded upon; hard work and independence.

I'm sorry that you're too blind to see that.

Democratic policies are based on the ethic of "Justice". Here's an entry on Justice from the Holman Bible Dictionary:

HOLMAN BIBLE DICTIONARY
"JUSTICE"

The order God seeks to reestablish in His creation where all people receive the benefits of life with Him. As love is for the New Testament, so justice is the central ethical idea of the Old Testament. The frequency of justice is sometimes missed by the reader due to a failure to realize that the wide range of the Hebrew word mishpat , particularly in passages that deal with the material and social necessities of life.

Nature of justice Justice has two major aspects. First, it is the standard by which penalties are assigned for breaking the obligations of the society. Second, justice is the standard by which the advantages of social life are handed out, including material goods, rights of participation, opportunities, and liberties. It is the standard for both punishment and benefits and thus can be spoken of as a plumb line. “I shall use justice as a plumb-line, and righteousness as a plummet” (Isaiah 28:17 , REB).

Often people think of justice in the Bible only in the first sense as God's wrath on evil. This aspect of justice indeed is present, such as the judgment mentioned in John 3:19 . Often more vivid words like “wrath” are used to describe punitive justice (Romans 1:18 ).

Justice in the Bible very frequently also deals with benefits. Cultures differ widely in determining the basis by which the benefits are to be justly distributed. For some it is by birth and nobility. For others the basis is might or ability or merit. Or it might simply be whatever is the law or whatever has been established by contracts. The Bible takes another possibility. Benefits are distributed according to need. Justice then is very close to love and grace. God “executes justice for the orphan and the widow, and loves the strangers, providing them food and clothing” (Deuteronomy 10:18 , NRSV; compare Hosea 10:12; Isaiah 30:18 ).

Various needy groups are the recipients of justice. These groups include widows, orphans, resident aliens (also called “sojourners” or “strangers”), wage earners, the poor, and prisoners, slaves, and the sick (Job 29:12-17; Psalm 146:7-9; Malachi 3:5 ). Each of these groups has specific needs which keep its members from being able to participate in aspects of the life of their community. Even life itself might be threatened. Justice involves meeting those needs. The forces which deprive people of what is basic for community life are condemned as oppression (Micah 2:2; Ecclesiastes 4:1 ). To oppress is to use power for one's own advantage in depriving others of their basic rights in the community (see Mark 12:40 ). To do justice is to correct that abuse and to meet those needs (Isaiah 1:17 ). Injustice is depriving others of their basic needs or failing to correct matters when those rights are not met (Jeremiah 5:28; Job 29:12-17 ). Injustice is either a sin of commission or of omission.

The content of justice, the benefits which are to be distributed as basic rights in the community, can be identified by observing what is at stake in the passages in which “justice,” “righteousness,” and “judgment” occur. The needs which are met include land (Ezekiel 45:6-9; compare Micah 2:2; Micah 4:4 ) and the means to produce from the land, such as draft animals and millstones (Deuteronomy 22:1-4; Deuteronomy 24:6 ). These productive concerns are basic to securing other essential needs and thus avoiding dependency; thus the millstone is called the “life” of the person (Deuteronomy 24:6 ). Other needs are those essential for mere physical existence and well being: food (Deuteronomy 10:18; Psalm 146:7 ), clothing (Deuteronomy 24:13 ), and shelter (Psalm 68:6; Job 8:6 ). Job 22:5-9 ,Job 22:5-9,22:23; Job 24:1-12 decries the injustice of depriving people of each one of these needs, which are material and economic. The equal protection of each person in civil and judicial procedures is represented in the demand for due process ( Deuteronomy 16:18-20 ). Freedom from bondage is comparable to not being “in hunger and thirst, in nakedness and lack of everything” (Deuteronomy 28:48 NRSV).

Justice presupposes God's intention for people to be in community. When people had become poor and weak with respect to the rest of the community, they were to be strengthened so that they could continue to be effective members of the community—living with them and beside them (Leviticus 25:35-36 ). Thus biblical justice restores people to community. By justice those who lacked the power and resources to participate in significant aspects of the community were to be strengthened so that they could. This concern in Leviticus 25:1 is illustrated by the provision of the year of Jubilee, in which at the end of the fifty year period land is restored to those who had lost it through sale or foreclosure of debts ( Leviticus 25:28 ). Thus they regained economic power and were brought back into the economic community. Similarly, interest on loans was prohibited (Leviticus 25:36 ) as a process which pulled people down, endangering their position in the community.

These legal provisions express a further characteristic of justice. Justice delivers; it does not merely relieve the immediate needs of those in dire straits (Psalm 76:9; Isaiah 45:8; Isaiah 58:11; Isaiah 62:1-2 ). Helping the needy means setting them back on their feet, giving a home, leading to prosperity, restoration, ending the oppression (Psalm 68:5-10; Psalm 10:15-16; compare 107; Psalm 113:7-9 ). Such thorough justice can be socially disruptive. In the Jubilee year as some receive back lands, others lose recently-acquired additional land. The advantage to some is a disadvantage to others. In some cases the two aspects of justice come together. In the act of restoration, those who were victims of justice receive benefits while their exploiters are punished (1 Samuel 2:7-10; compare Luke 1:51-53; Luke 6:20-26 ).

The source of justice As the sovereign Creator of the universe, God is just (Psalm 99:1-4; Genesis 18:25; Deuteronomy 32:4; Jeremiah 9:24 ), particularly as the defender of all the oppressed of the earth (Psalm 76:9; Psalm 103:6; Jeremiah 49:11 ). Justice thus is universal (Psalm 9:7-9 ) and applies to each covenant or dispensation. Jesus affirmed for His day the centrality of the Old Testament demand for justice (Matthew 23:23 ). Justice is the work of the New Testament people of God (James 1:27 ).

God's justice is not a distant external standard. It is the source of all human justice (Proverbs 29:26; 2Chronicles 19:6,2 Chronicles 19:9 ). Justice is grace received and grace shared (2 Corinthians 9:8-10 ).

The most prominent human agent of justice is the ruler. The king receives God's justice and is a channel for it (Psalm 72:1; compare Romans 13:1-2 ,Romans 13:1-2,13:4 ). There is not a distinction between a personal, voluntary justice and a legal, public justice. The same caring for the needy groups of the society is demanded of the ruler (Psalm 72:4; Ezekiel 34:4; Jeremiah 22:15-16 ). Such justice was also required of pagan rulers (Daniel 4:27; Proverbs 31:8-9 ).

Justice is also a central demand on all people who bear the name of God. Its claim is so basic that without it other central demands and provisions of God are not acceptable to God. Justice is required to be present with the sacrificial system (Amos 5:21-24; Micah 6:6-8; Isaiah 1:11-17; Matthew 5:23-24 ), fasting (Isaiah 58:1-10 ), tithing (Matthew 23:23 ), obedience to the other commandments (Matthew 19:16-21 ), or the presence of the Temple of God (Jeremiah 7:1-7 ).

Justice in salvation Apart from describing God's condemnation of sin, Paul used the language and meaning of justice to speak of personal salvation. “The righteousness of God” represents God in grace bringing into the community of God through faith in Christ those who had been outside of the people of God (particularly in Romans but compare also Ephesians 2:12-13 ). See Law; Government; Poverty; Righteousness; Welfare.

Stephen Charles Mott