Thoughts on Yahoah???

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Pneuman

I ran across this a few months back and tried to do some research of my own. The only thing I found is that most of the people who espouse this have serious doctrinal issues in other areas. One of those being this is the only way to pronounce God's name and all others will go to hell. It may not be the case that all of them are this way, but this seems to me to be cultish in its origin and much of its usage as well.

If the Jews don't even know how it is pronounced, it is unlikely we will ever know ... at least outside of the name of Jesus!! When you have Jesus, you have the Father!

would like to address some of the concerns regarding those who use the name Yeshua.

Most of the people who espouse this have serious doctrinal issues in other areas.

Well every denomination has serious doctrinal issues in other areas.

One of those being this is the only way to pronounce God's name and all others will go to hell.

Not everyone has this issue. But remember that there are many UPCI people who believe that unless you are in their group you are not even saved.

but this seems to me to be cultish in its origin and much of its usage as well.

Oneness people are often called cultish.
After the way some call heresy, we the people of Yeshua worship the God of our fathers.

[votivesoul]

It has been my experience that various groups and denominations usually get at least one thing right. Some have much more right than that.

I, too, have seen how a particular group will be SPOT ON in one area, and then be totally daffy in some other area, much to their discredit.

I think it's a baby and the bath water, keep the meat and throw away the bone type of issue.

We can't think that because a group is wrong in one or even several areas, that automatically they must be wrong in ALL areas, even if they otherwise appear cultish.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Has anyone come across the idea that the Tetragrammaton (yod hay vov hay) is actually supposed to be pronounced Ya-Ho-Ah (or possibly Ya-Hoo-Ah)?

The idea is that the first syllable, made up of the yod and hay is correctly pronounced "yah" as in the word hallelujah which means "praise ye Yah".

Then, the next letter, the vov is actually supposed to be pronounced like an "o" or "u". An example given is the name Eliljah in Hebrew, which is pronounced and transliterated Eli-Yahu, or Yah is my God (Consider also Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu).

Further evidence is given from the Hebrew name of Jesus, which is Yehoshua. It is spelled yod hay vov shin vov ayin in which, both uses of vov demonstrate, not a "v" or "w" sound (as in Jehova or Yahweh) but rather an o/u sound.

And finally, since the name ends with hay, as in other Hebrew words/names, when they end the same way (i.e. with a hay) it makes for a barely aspirated "ah" sound).

Putting it all together then, the Tetragrammaton should be pronounced thusly:

Yah-(as in hallelujah)-O/OO-(from the vov being pronounced like an o/u as in the name Yehoshua or "Yah saves")-ah (as in the small aspirated sound from any Hebrew word or name that ends in hay

Ya-ho-ah

What do you all think?

Personally, I've seen such an idea casually dismissed, but I've never seen anyone offer proof that such a dismissal is warranted.

Yah

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Yah

The ooooo sounds like W like in Who

It still spells/sounds like Yahweh

[Sean]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

It has been my experience that various groups and denominations usually get at least one thing right. Some have much more right than that.

I, too, have seen how a particular group will be SPOT ON in one area, and then be totally daffy in some other area, much to their discredit.

I think it's a baby and the bath water, keep the meat and throw away the bone type of issue.

We can't think that because a group is wrong in one or even several areas, that automatically they must be wrong in ALL areas, even if they otherwise appear cultish.

Yes, that is why I dont like "labeling" my opponent on a doctrine(while debating them)...it only hurts me, because I automatically "shut them down" and cannot hear their point of view. My bias overrides their words in such cases.

Its like they do in psychology....they are looking for symptoms to label us. You are not an individual but fit into their little box. It(labeling) can be viewed as condescending.....