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10-24-2012, 12:43 PM
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IN Senator, "God Intended Pregnant Rape Victim"
Is a pregnant rape victim, God's intention? so says Indiana senate candidate Murdock. Romney's only senate endorsement. this looniness paints christians in a bad light. anyone here agree with Murdock? (wouldn't surprise me)
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Re: IN Senator, "God Intended Pregnant Rape Victim
I sure don't agree. That is just a horrible statement for anyone to make.
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10-24-2012, 01:30 PM
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Re: IN Senator, "God Intended Pregnant Rape Victim
if God intended the pregnancy, does God intend the rape? let's hear from all the antiabortionists
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10-24-2012, 01:54 PM
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Re: IN Senator, "God Intended Pregnant Rape Victim
Is God Sovereign?
When we surrender our hurt to His Will, it is His Will to make the hurt into something for our good.
Did God intend Joseph to be betrayed by his brothers and sold into slavery?
Did God intend for Pharoah's first born to die?
Did God intend for Jesus Christ to suffer tortue of the cruelest kind?
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10-24-2012, 02:51 PM
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Re: IN Senator, "God Intended Pregnant Rape Victim
No, a pregnant rape victim is not God's intention! However, God’s intention is that biology works the way he created it to work. Now, whether conception occurs from love, lust or violent rape, that is not God’s doing, but mankind’s doing. We all know this world has polluted with evil what God intended for good. Of course as Christians we also know that God has a way of taking all of our sin and evil and turning it for good.
I think the point Mr. Murdock was trying to make and the liberal media is trying to spin out of control is simply this; once a life is conceived, first and foremost, we have a moral obligation to recognize that life as a God given, God designed, human life and a spiritual being. No matter how reprehensible its conception, it is NOT a glob of cells or ball of flesh. It is a child who has an eternal God given soul. Once we come to grips with that sobering fact, then maybe we can face the added dilemma. Do we commit further sin by murdering that life? Would it be any “lesser of a sin” than the rape that conceived the life in the first place? I know this is a highly controversial and emotional topic, but let me ask the question; would God not bless that life and use that life regardless of the pain and emotional distress it’s conception brought? Don’t we all have “checkered pasts?” Doesn’t God have a way of transforming us into new creatures and making all things new, regardless of the sin we were born in? Could God give the victim peace of heart and mind as she gives of herself to sacrifice nine months of her life so another family could be blessed with a child they could not conceive on their own? You see, perhaps I’m a clown and perhaps I’m making a horrible statement, but I’m thinking I agree with Mr. Murdock here. God can use a sinful rape and make something good out of it, just like he made something good out of you and of me.
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10-24-2012, 03:13 PM
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Re: IN Senator, "God Intended Pregnant Rape Victim
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
Is God Sovereign?
When we surrender our hurt to His Will, it is His Will to make the hurt into something for our good.
Did God intend Joseph to be betrayed by his brothers and sold into slavery?
Did God intend for Pharoah's first born to die?
Did God intend for Jesus Christ to suffer tortue of the cruelest kind?
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what about free will? do you mean God is determining evil?
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Re: IN Senator, "God Intended Pregnant Rape Victim
1. You misquoted the Senator. He did NOT say "God intended pregnant rape victim" so you shouldn't have placed that in quotes as if it was a direct quote. Here's what he actually said:
"I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize that life is that gift from God. And, I think, even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen"
MEANING, the LIFE is what God intended or allowed; not the rape.
2. Anyone who isn't Christian will probably not understand the concept or the belief that God can take something evil and turn it to good.
3. Anyone who sees a baby as a blessing, and life as a gift from God will understand the meaning in point #2.
4. Anyone who sees a baby as a burden or a curse will fail to comprehend.
I completely understand what the Senator was saying, and I tend to agree. Again, those who see a pregnancy as a curse will not be able to comprehend WHY it could be good coming from evil.
This is not a misstatement on the part of the Senator; it is a reflection of how different conservative values are from liberal values.
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Re: IN Senator, "God Intended Pregnant Rape Victim
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what about free will? do you mean God is determining evil?
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I don't believe God would ever prompt evil; in this case, rape. However, He certainly could allow conception, and it's sad that so many people see that as "evil" or a curse rather than the blessing it could be.
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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10-24-2012, 03:47 PM
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Re: IN Senator, "God Intended Pregnant Rape Victim
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
1. You misquoted the Senator. He did NOT say "God intended pregnant rape victim" so you shouldn't have placed that in quotes as if it was a direct quote. Here's what he actually said:
"I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize that life is that gift from God. And, I think, even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen"
MEANING, the LIFE is what God intended or allowed; not the rape.
2. Anyone who isn't Christian will probably not understand the concept or the belief that God can take something evil and turn it to good.
3. Anyone who sees a baby as a blessing, and life as a gift from God will understand the meaning in point #2.
4. Anyone who sees a baby as a burden or a curse will fail to comprehend.
I completely understand what the Senator was saying, and I tend to agree. Again, those who see a pregnancy as a curse will not be able to comprehend WHY it could be good coming from evil.
This is not a misstatement on the part of the Senator; it is a reflection of how different conservative values are from liberal values.
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the point is wether conception is a natural biological occurrence or something God ordains. murdock says he doesn't mean that God intends rape but pregnancy. if God intended the pregnancy the it follows that God intended the rape. the two occurrences are connected if God intends it. But if rape is the effect of free will and pregnancy the effect of natural bilogical occurrences then Murdock is an idiot.
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I don't believe God would ever prompt evil; in this case, rape. However, He certainly could allow conception, and it's sad that so many people see that as "evil" or a curse rather than the blessing it could be.
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the question is does god "intend" or ordain conception or is it a natural biological occurrence.
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