Clearly blaming the anti-muslim video produced by a "shadowy character" for prompting the attacks. Nowhere in this video does he call the attacks an "act of terror." He says that terrorists and extremists used the video as an excuse, but he obviously purports the video as the root cause.
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Clearly blaming the anti-muslim video produced by a "shadowy character" for prompting the attacks. Nowhere in this video does he call the attacks an "act of terror." He says that terrorists and extremists used the video as an excuse, but he obviously purports the video as the root cause.
We all know that.
PO and the libs are the only ones that don't.
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I believe I'm going to rely on what the transcripts actually say, more than media talking points. Of course we don't like the handling of Libya, but all I am seeing is the first sentence of the Rose Garden quote being printed and presented. We need to finish the paragraph. I doubt I would make a stand on something I hadn't checked beforehand.
Rose Garden:
"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
There is no way anyone could honestly say that Obama is only referring to 9-11 alone, which I've also read that argument, and not see, grammatically, that when he goes on to say, "Today, we mourn four more Americans..." to not include Libya as well in the terror.
Here, Candy, is showing, at the 2nd debate, where both were right on the two points argued - Obama calling it an act of terror at the outset and Romney being right that it took a couple of weeks for the idea of the video causing the riot.
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ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.
OBAMA: Get the transcript.
CROWLEY: It -- it -- it -- he did in fact, sir. So let me -- let me call it an act of terror...
OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?
CROWLEY: He -- he did call it an act of terror. It did as well take -- it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.
So, this exchange had been graded by Politifact, rightly, that Romney is telling a half-truth. The underlined is what makes some angry. He just didn't say it enough to suit.
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Romney says Obama waited 14 days to call Libya attack terror
Our ruling
Romney said it took the president 14 days before he called the Libya attack terror.
In fact, Obama described it in those terms the day after the attack. But in the days that followed, neither he nor all the members of his administration spoke consistently on the subject.There were many suggestions that the attack was part of demonstrations over an American-made video that disparaged Islam.
We rate the statement Half True.
Update:
After we published this item, we heard from readers that the president called the attack "an act of terror" two more times -- on Sept. 13 in Colorado and Sept. 14 in Nevada.
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I think his comments can be construed to apply to Libya in that way, and that's in his favor, but my personal opinion is that he carefully did NOT refer to Libya that way (in the beginning). He's going back and saying that's what he meant now, because it's convenient. Disingenuous.
Of course, there's no way to concretely prove intent, so we're all stuck with our opinions. I do feel that AFTER the Rose Garden, the continuous reference to the video points to that being the mindset of the white house for quite some time.
The video I posted is video of the President talking to David Letterman about the attack and spending a lot of time referencing the anti-muslim video. E.g., it illustrates that he was viewing and/or presenting the attack as stemming from that.
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--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Clearly blaming the anti-muslim video produced by a "shadowy character" for prompting the attacks. Nowhere in this video does he call the attacks an "act of terror." He says that terrorists and extremists used the video as an excuse, but he obviously purports the video as the root cause.
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I think his comments can be construed to apply to Libya in that way, and that's in his favor, but my personal opinion is that he carefully did NOT refer to Libya that way (in the beginning). He's going back and saying that's what he meant now, because it's convenient. Disingenuous.
Of course, there's no way to concretely prove intent, so we're all stuck with our opinions. I do feel that AFTER the Rose Garden, the continuous reference to the video points to that being the mindset of the white house for quite some time.
The video I posted is video of the President talking to David Letterman about the attack and spending a lot of time referencing the anti-muslim video. E.g., it illustrates that he was viewing and/or presenting the attack as stemming from that.
So he blames a video citing that terrorists used it, but he is not referring to terrorism? Would I be understanding your view correctly?
So he blames a video citing that terrorists used it, but he is not referring to terrorism? Would I be understanding your view correctly?
Yep.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Am I the only one who is okay with not rushing to judgement in delicate, international matters. I am all for calling acts of terror "acts of terror" and dealing with the responsible parties appropriately. However, I think at times we as a nation have measured once and cut 20 times and committed ourselves to perspectives and policies that were not in our best interest at all. I don't think we can make a knee jerk reaction that every violent act or even mob riot in that part of the world is an "act of terror" unless we are going to expand our definition of the phrase. In that case, most violent acts in every part of the world are "acts of terror".
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Am I the only one who is okay with not rushing to judgement in delicate, international matters. I am all for calling acts of terror "acts of terror" and dealing with the responsible parties appropriately. However, I think at times we as a nation have measured once and cut 20 times and committed ourselves to perspectives and policies that were not in our best interest at all. I don't think we can make a knee jerk reaction that every violent act or even mob riot in that part of the world is an "act of terror" unless we are going to expand our definition of the phrase. In that case, most violent acts in every part of the world are "acts of terror".
I need to find that SNL clip from the Bush Administration when things were hot and heavy in Iraq. It's a bunch of reporters in the press pool during a WH briefing - "Could you tell us the exact position and plans of your next military maneuver?"
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