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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Yes what he said. Also I know of no place where Paul lists the various sins and mentions "sabbathbreaking".
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I am a very simple person. The answers you give seem very convoluted. I believe that Paul himself as a Jew honored the Sabbath as did all the early Christian church until the time of Constantine. As Baptists we were not only told that we should judge no man (and we don't) we were told that it was divinely ordained that the day or rest and worship was moved to Sunday. As a matter of fact for decades (until the 1980's) we were asked to vote to maintain 'Blue Laws' that forbid anyone to shop or restaurants to open on Sunday because it was the 'Christian Sabbath'. Of course once those laws failed there was no church that continued to ask members to avoid shopping or eating out which are now the very things that 90% of people who leave church are going to do on the way home.
Below is an example of how it was explained... your explanation makes my baloney-meter go off at the same frequency that this one did. It's a commandment, period. If I take a law book and transcribe it to a floppy disk that does not change the law so the law being written on our hearts verses on tablets of stone does not do away with it still being the law and not judging someone else for not keeping the law also does not make it any less the law. Not judging is repeated over and over in the bible and is a common theme and the fact that you heap judgement on yourself for judging another persons walk with God... But most of us still keep those laws anyway to the best of our ability and sadly most everybody still judges others even when they know they shouldn't. Most here if they saw someone from church swigging down a few beers at the local restaurant would judge them although judging not for meat or drink is included in this scriptures you gave as an example. I think that Paul meant that worshiping other days or every day was just fine.. But the Sabbath was and is the Sabbath and if it was not explicitly changed in the new testament then it was not changed anymore than any other commandment. "For whosoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
James 2:10
Here is the old Baptist explanation: (this guy obviously did not own a spell checker, lol!)
We believe that the change in day for the sabbath to Sunday was Divinely Authorized. When Jesus declared that “the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath,” He wanted them to understand that He had the power to change the day on which the holy rest should be obversed and the way it which it should be observed. Scriptures clearly indicate that the Sabbath was celebrated on different days.
1. Orginally, as seen in
Genesis 2:3, the Sabbath was to be observed after the six days of work by God. Here, in the institution of the Sabbath, it is distinclty declared to be a day of Holy rest after 6 days of labor, and it was to be a memorial of creation.
2. The next mention of the Sabbath is in connection with the gving of the manna (
Ex 16:14-31). Here the manna is stated to have fallen for 6 days, that is from the 16th to the 21st day of the second month; and that the day following, or the twenty-second, was the frirst 7th day Sabbath celebrated in the Wilderness of Sin. “See for the Lord has given you the sabbath, so He has given you on the 6th day the bread of life for 2 days. So the people rested on the 7th day.” The Sabbath as a holy rest was re-established at this time. There is controversy over what day was actually observed. If the 22 day was a Sabbath day, then the 15th should have been also, but it was not because they marched that day. Dr. W. H. Rogers holds that “the only change of the Sabbath by God's authority is for the Jeews between the giving of the manna and the resurrrection of Christ. The first day of the week, but always the 7th after 6 working days was the day of the holy rest from Adam to Moses. The Sabbatism was separated from idolatry by changing it from Sunday to Saturday among the chosen people ‘throughout their generations,' 1500 years (
Ex 31:13-14; Ezek. 20:12). At Christ's resurrrection expired by statue limitation this peculiarity of excpetional change, leaving the divine rule for all mankind, requiring 1st day Sabbath keeping, as had been the case for the 1st 2500 years of human history.”
3. The Christian Sabbath or “Lord's Day” has been tradition since apostolic times. It came early to be known as the “Lord's Day” to distinguish it from the Jewish Sabbath. That this change was divienly authorized is show (1) by the example of Jesus, (2) by the authority of the apostles, (3) by the practices of the early church, and (4) by the testimony of the early apostolic fathers.
1. Jesus placed approval upon the 1st day of the week, by meeting with His disciples on this day. The resurrection took place on the morning of the 1st day of the week. The four accounts of the gosples agree that the Saviour arose early “the first day of the week.” His first meeting with the body of His diciples was on the evening of the resurrection day (
John 20:19); and the second on the eveing of the 8th day, which would of course, be the foolowing first day of the next week. There were 3 more “first days” before the ascension, but it is not said whetehr Jesus met with His disciples on any or all of them. However, there were 3 more appearances: to the 500, to James, and to the apostles (1 Cor.15:1-4).
2. The Apolstles authorized the change, doubtless due to the unrecorded instrutions of Jesus during the 40 days (
Acts 1:2). Thwenty five years later St. Paul worshiped, shared communion, and preached at Troas on Sunday (
1 Cor 16:1-2). This clearly indicates that the apostle sanctioned the 1st day as the Christian Sabbath.
3. The practices of the early churches are further proof of wirship on Sunday. This is shown by the passages just cited, and also by St. John's reference to the Sabbath as the “Lord's day” (
Rev 1:10). Since he uses the prhase without any refrecne to the first day, it is eveindece that when the Apocalypse was written, the 1st day was gnerally know as the “Lord's Day” in contradiction to the Jewish 7th day.
4. Since some of the early apostolic fathers were associated with the apostles, their writings from the historical standpoint, furnish conclusive eveicnec as to the current thgouht of that time. For example, Ignatius, plycarp, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, Theodoret, Eusebius, Origen, the Didache or Teaches of the Twelve all mention the sabbath observence being on the Lord's Day.
Putting all of this aside, I believe that God is more worried about the heart of the worshipper than the day of the worship. At my church, we worship on Sunday , Saturday, and Wednesday. Since God “lives in the praises of His people,” does it really matter what day we observe the Sabbath. If we become to legalistic and think that only Sunday or any day of the week is the only day to observe the Sabbath, then we are no better than the Pharasees who condemned Jesus for working on the Sabbath.
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