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Old 09-28-2011, 12:31 AM
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Soul and Spirit

Does every human being have a body, soul and spirit? I'm thinking God breathed into Adam and man became a living soul. So the spirit of man is the breath of God. When Adam sinned the breath of God (spirit of man) seperated from Adam's soul, leaving just a body and soul. All men just have souls until the baptism of the holy ghost where the breath of God(spirit of man) returns and reborn christians are now body, soul and spirit like the innocent Adam.

Is there any biblical problem with this theory? Does the bible use the word spirit or ruach to refer to unregenerate man?
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Old 09-28-2011, 12:43 AM
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Re: Soul and Spirit

just did a word search on esword and found that the word ruach is used in reference to humans. How does this affect my theory? Is the breath of God within every human being, holy ghost or not?
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Old 09-28-2011, 05:39 AM
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Re: Soul and Spirit

he breathed the breath of life into Adam, and Adam became a living soul.

When Adam fell, he died spiritually

when we receive the HG and speak in tongues, we become a living soul.
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Old 09-28-2011, 08:23 AM
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he breathed the breath of life into Adam, and Adam became a living soul.

When Adam fell, he died spiritually

when we receive the HG and speak in tongues, we become a living soul.
My sentiments exactly, when Adam sinned the breath of life did not leave him, the spiritual death ment simply that the relationship between God and man was separted by sin, because God cannot look on sin without judgment. There for the fellowship was severed. Jesus took our sin and nailed it to the cross so that by faith in Christ we can come back before God in relationship with him.

Note there is nothing we can do to gain this relationship Christ already did it on the cross. This is why salvation is of faith not of works. The only thing we do is realize we were a sinner and beleive Christ died for us and then we can enter the presence of God. Upon this realization we are baptized because of the remission of our sins decalaring Jesus to the world. We are then promised the gift of God's spirit the holy ghost which was the covenant promise from the very beginning.
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Re: Soul and Spirit

I see all men as spirit, soul and body, but the sinner has an inactive spirit. The spirit is what is born again. That which is born of God's Spirit is human spirit. He takes our old spirits and makes them new. Recall the prophecy of taking out the stony heart and making a new spirit. The principle is that all is made new. Our spirits are made new at salvation. Our souls Re being made new now, and our bodies shall be made new. But it is not that the spirit is gone from man.

Spirits of people may be unrenewed and in a lost state, but they are involved in circles of witchcraft, which would not be possible with the sinner retaining a human spirit.
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Old 09-29-2011, 12:18 AM
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Re: Soul and Spirit

I may be wrong, but I think that in hebrew thought a person is made up of bodysoulspirit, instead of body/soul/spirit. Hebrews think in a more holistic way about these that the words can be interchanged, like when the Bible says "Eight souls were saved by water", it doesn't just mean the invisible part of Noah and his family.
Someone that knows more about this can explain it better than my limited understanding.

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Old 09-29-2011, 05:17 AM
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Does every human being have a body, soul and spirit? I'm thinking God breathed into Adam and man became a living soul. So the spirit of man is the breath of God. When Adam sinned the breath of God (spirit of man) seperated from Adam's soul, leaving just a body and soul. All men just have souls until the baptism of the holy ghost where the breath of God(spirit of man) returns and reborn christians are now body, soul and spirit like the innocent Adam.

Is there any biblical problem with this theory? Does the bible use the word spirit or ruach to refer to unregenerate man?
body + spirit of man = soul
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Old 09-29-2011, 10:41 AM
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SPIRIT
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Phil 3:3
It is with our spirits that we communicate with God. We worship in the human spirit. Paul's statement was unique and quite novel, since Israel after the flesh were only involved in carnal ordinances of the law, and physical rituals. Their covenant, in dealing with unregenerated people, could only work in physical rituals due to the inactivity of their human spirits. So, to read of a Jew worshiping God in the spirit, was quite a thing to speak about! Of course, Paul was of the remnant of Israel who were born again, though.

The Catholic Church proposed the error that the spirit is the place of intellect and thought. But everytime you read about the spirit of a man, it is always something SPIRITUAL that is indicated., as we shall see.

Jesus perceived spiritual things in his spirit.
Mar 2:8 KJV And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?

Act 6:10 KJV And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake.
The spirit exudes that special something. When people could not resist Christ's spirit by which he spake, we see indication of anointing and authority -- very spiritual things.
Act 17:16 KJV Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry.
Again we read where Paul was stirred spiritually. In fact, the plainest manner of discerning what the spirit of a man is is by considering what the term "spiritual" means. Its root word is "spirit". And when we think of spiritual things, we do not think of intellectual things, but of things apart from the reason and intellect of people.

Ministers who are sensitive to the Lord's moving are spiritual people. Paul weas described as being pressed in his spirit to speak of the Lord. This is, again, beyond intellect. The intellects oif this world have all but a non-existent spirit, since they are so inactive spiritually.
Act 18:5 KJV And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

Act 18:25 KJV This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

Act 19:21 KJV After these things were ended, Paul purposed in the spirit, when he had passed through Macedonia and Achaia, to go to Jerusalem, saying, After I have been there, I must also see Rome.
Paul discerned something in God's will with his spirit. Its as though his spirit agreed with what he felt God's desire to be. This is how the human spirit functions as opposed to the bare intellect and reason.



SOUL

To sum it up, we are made of three elements referred in the Bible as spirit, soul and body. The soul is where our thought processes occur. It is Grand Central Station, so to speak. It is in the soul, where a manner of thinking towards carnal, fleshly pleasures takes place, or another manner of thinking occurs which reaches out for God. The soul will go the route of one of these two avenues of BODY or SPIRIT in order to reach out and communicate, or to learn.


The soul is the seat of human emotion, will and intellect. The following scriptures reveal this to be true.

EMOTION:
...the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him
1 Samuel 18:1

...for whatsoever thy soul desireth:...thou shalt rejoice,
Deut. 14:26

...the soul of all the people was grieved,
1 Samuel 30:6

WILL:
The things that my soul refused to touch are as my sorrowful meat.
Job 6:7

...set your heart and your soul to seek the LORD your God;
1 Chronicles 22:19
INTELLECT:
...that the soul be without knowledge, it is not good;
Proverbs 19:2

...My soul hath them still in remembrance,
Lamentations 3:20

...When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;
Proverbs 2:10
All three of these faculties are affected by that to which the soul relates. We can be emotionally excited about something physical, or about something spiritual, depending on what "realm" (spiritual or physical) the direction of the soul is pointing.

Man is called a SOUL because that is predominant centre of our MIND and thinking. the real US.
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I see all men as spirit, soul and body, but the sinner has an inactive spirit. The spirit is what is born again. That which is born of God's Spirit is human spirit. He takes our old spirits and makes them new. Recall the prophecy of taking out the stony heart and making a new spirit. The principle is that all is made new. Our spirits are made new at salvation. Our souls Re being made new now, and our bodies shall be made new. But it is not that the spirit is gone from man.

Spirits of people may be unrenewed and in a lost state, but they are involved in circles of witchcraft, which would not be possible with the sinner retaining a human spirit.
What happens to an inactive spirit when the body dies?
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Old 09-29-2011, 11:20 AM
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What happens to an inactive spirit when the body dies?
Goes back to God who gave it, when the body goes back to the earth
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