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07-01-2011, 08:28 PM
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Sister Alvear
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David Bernardīs book on oneness
Has anyone read it?
We are studying it in our Bible School...
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07-01-2011, 08:48 PM
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Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
the oneness of god and the new birth have free online versions here:
http://www.newlifeupc.org/resources/...-bernard/books
sis alvear, did you see my post asking you about eliane silva? have you heard of her?
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07-01-2011, 09:31 PM
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Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
Has anyone read it?
We are studying it in our Bible School...
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I don't like it. It was not done well and or he did not think it through. While trying to avoid Nestorianism, he actually comes out with a Nestorian view point.
Some of his points can be construed to imply the Son was just a man or just a nature while other points might clear that up, Im afraid it still leads to a lot of confusion
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-01-2011, 09:39 PM
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Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I don't like it. It was not done well and or he did not think it through. While trying to avoid Nestorianism, he actually comes out with a Nestorian view point.
Some of his points can be construed to imply the Son was just a man or just a nature while other points might clear that up, Im afraid it still leads to a lot of confusion
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For those who believe that "Father" and "Son" are speaking of the divinity and humanity of Jesus Christ the book is probably the best there is...
However, concerning Jesus, I believe the Father/Son distinction to be external rather than internal.
Question: To be truly Nestorian would one not need to teach Christ was two "persons"?
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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07-01-2011, 09:43 PM
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Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
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I don't like it. It was not done well and or he did not think it through. While trying to avoid Nestorianism, he actually comes out with a Nestorian view point.
Some of his points can be construed to imply the Son was just a man or just a nature while other points might clear that up, Im afraid it still leads to a lot of confusion
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can you givea brief description of christ's nature that is more clear than db?
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07-01-2011, 09:46 PM
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Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
For those who believe that "Father" and "Son" are speaking of the divinity and humanity of Jesus Christ the book is probably the best there is...
However, concerning Jesus, I believe the Father/Son distinction to be external rather than internal.
Question: To be truly Nestorian would one not need to teach Christ was two "persons"?
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are you saying that you don't believe the father indwelt christ?
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07-01-2011, 09:52 PM
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Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
Has anyone read it?
We are studying it in our Bible School...
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No maam but I probably need to order it. I love Bro Bernards writings. Espec love his books on revival.
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07-01-2011, 10:01 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
For those who believe that "Father" and "Son" are speaking of the divinity and humanity of Jesus Christ the book is probably the best there is...
However, concerning Jesus, I believe the Father/Son distinction to be external rather than internal.
Question: To be truly Nestorian would one not need to teach Christ was two "persons"?
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One would need to assert the distinction between the Divine nature and Human nature and then either assert each was a person or attribute Personal actions to each nature
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-01-2011, 10:02 PM
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Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
can you givea brief description of christ's nature that is more clear than db?
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Human natures don't pray. Persons pray because and by means OF their human nature
__________________
Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-01-2011, 10:07 PM
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
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Re: David Bernardīs book on oneness
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
are you saying that you don't believe the father indwelt christ?
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The Father was in the Son and the Son in the Father. John 17:21
Beyond that, the essence of Christ's divinity was ontologically the same as the Father.
However, I think the term "Father" generally is a reference to God apart from and beyond the incarnation, while "Son" is a reference to God as he revealed Himself in and through the incarnation.
IMO the entire meaning gets jumbled when Oneness Pentecostals proclaim "Jesus is the Father and the Son!" It is simply not necessary to go there to show Jesus is human and divine. Nor is it necessary to go there to show a singular person of God.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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