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[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by pastor RICK

so you dont go to church blessed? if that is what you mean how do you explain hebrews 10;25? just curious.

Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

We have reverted back to the mentality of the Jew who thought it was more inportant to have the symbol of thier God (ark of the covanant) rather than in thier heart. We have put more emphisis on the builing and preacher than we do relationship with God. They were more worried in what the temple looked like to others than whether God was there.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Blessed56

I believe in assembling in Truth, and to me that does not mean you have to be in a physical building, one can do that in there home.

So you don't go to any church, or christian gathering, or fellowship on a regular basis in an environment of prayer and scripture study? You just "do church" unto yourself?

Originally Posted by Blessed56

Baptism is a continual renewing of the mind through the word of God and this is the pressing on unto perfection into the fellowship of Christ/Truth. I have heard only doctrinal teachings my whole life, and when you began to prove all things as the Lord commands, you find much confusion and so for me, right now, I have to search out the scriptures. Hope this helps answer your question.

Explain, b/c at firt glance this statement seems ridiculous to me.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

While were talking context and scripture study, lets point out that this passage isn't actually dealing with the assembly of two or three. But rather with discipline. Actually all it takes is one to call on His name and He is there, I think we'd agree on that.

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Come on Drummer, the context of this passage isn't us being a "church" unto ourselves either. It is about a call to a life of righteousness, a life which glorifies the Lord (see also ROmans 12:1). Really this passage in 1 Corinthians 3 cannot be used either FOR or AGAINST church attendance.

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

We have reverted back to the mentality of the Jew who thought it was more inportant to have the symbol of thier God (ark of the covanant) rather than in thier heart. We have put more emphisis on the builing and preacher than we do relationship with God. They were more worried in what the temple looked like to others than whether God was there.

I don't think thats accurate at all. Are there people who attend church and find a false security in that? YES. Are there people who don't attend church but find a false security in a faith that they actually ignore and don't cultivate? YES. There are those who attend and who don't attend who are lost. And I would say there are those who attend and dont attend who are saved. However, if someone doesn't attend church simply becuase they think they know it all, I believe that is wrong. Theres not a perfect church, its not an excuse to leave all churches.

If someone doesn't like a church "building" fine, if that person is that right, has discovered all Biblical truth, and such, let them start a church in their home. But what if it gets to big, and the choices are either 1)break into smaller groups or 2)there isnt a ready minister and the people prefer to stay united and end up moving to a bigger meeting place-guess what then the home minister just did what they are so critical of others for doing, and this happens all the time. Of course there is a third option 3)sit in isolation, believe your the only one in your city with real truth and live a good moral life while your city is lost, and every christian church in your city is wrong.


Furthermore, Jesus NEVER criticized the idea of going to a synagouge for a religious service. he certainly condemned the attitudes of hypocritical relious folk, ut never the attending synagouge service, and in fact He attended himself. We know that Paul went to synagouges first. The reason He didn't stay there was the gospel message was rejected by the Jews. Do you think if they had wholesale conversion from Judaism to Christianity that they would have QUIT meeting in synagouges? The REASON they met in homes was primarily because they were not welcome to preach Jesus in the synagouges.

[Blessed56]

We have study in our home and our fellowship is with Christ in Truth. We do not ignore Hebrews 10:25 but gain the full understanding in verse 25 by including the verses that follow. Do Not Forsake Christ for Fellowship....
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it;
Eph 5:26 that he might sanctify it, having cleansed it by the washing of water with the word,
This is the baptism of Christ, that he speaks of in Mark 10, that brings about salvation. The baptism of John is symbolic of the spiritual washing through the word of God. The true baptism.
Tit 3:4 But when the kindness of God our Saviour, and his love toward man, appeared,
Tit 3:5 not by works done in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
Tit 3:6 which he poured out upon us richly, through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7 that, being justified by his grace, we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Also read John 4:14.....
1Co 10:1 For I would not, brethren, have you ignorant, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 and did all eat the same spiritual food;
1Co 10:4 and did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them: and the rock was Christ.
Christ is the baptism... The word of God, that renews the mind to bring about the sufferings to bring us into obedience, daily.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Come on Drummer, the context of this passage isn't us being a "church" unto ourselves either. It is about a call to a life of righteousness, a life which glorifies the Lord (see also ROmans 12:1).
Really this passage in 1 Corinthians 3 cannot be used either FOR or AGAINST church attendance.

You are missing the point, no one is saying we don't need to meet together, what I am saying is that we have made the building more important than the true temple of God. And yes I Corintians 3 does teach us that God does not dwell in temples made by hands, which is the point I wanted to bring out.

Let me ask you a question, when you attend your "church" building, do you get dressed up? Why? If God is within you why get dressed up two or three times a week when you go to church? My point we have made the building more important than serving God. You count your success to reaching the lost by the # of people you have in attendance, and how big and beautiful your temple is. This is not the kingdom God!!! this is mans kingdom, and mans temple.

Every thing that you have said is all designed to get people to attend mans kingdom so he can build his temples, not Gods kingdom. All these teachings are the same as the trinity they all come from idolitry that came inot the church after Constitine converted. Priestly authority does not come from Judism, it comes from temples of idol worshipers.

So instead of putting down those that no longer attend your temples of man maybe you should fulfill the command of Christ and fellowship with love, instead of pushing your doctrines, maybe you need to learn and discuss the scripture with those like us.

You just might learn somthing I know I did.