When is your name written in the Lamb's Book of Life????

Darcie · #1 11-12-2007, 10:55 AM

I came across these verses this weekend, and I need some help in clarifing these verses.

Revelation 13:8

All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

Revelation 17:8
8The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.

Can it be that before the foundation of the earth names were already written or not written in the book of life?

What say ye? I would like to know your opinions/explanations. I'm not trying to stir things up. I sincerely just need some clarity.

scotty · #2 11-12-2007, 12:45 PM

I have seen no scripture that supports the existance of man prior to Adam. I believe God was using "from the foundation of the world" as a time line reference. He could not have said "from the beginning" etc.because no one really knows when the true beginning was. He is the beginning and the end. Thats a question I can't wait to get the answer too. Was there anything prior to the foundation of the world? ever?

Darcie · #3 11-12-2007, 12:55 PM

I have always had this picture in my mind that once a person is saved, their name gets written in the book of Life. But these verses have made me rethink that.

scotty · #4 11-12-2007, 02:02 PM

ooooooooooooo.....You mean preterism!?!?!?!

Note to Admin: I will explain preterism in order to denounce it as doctorine and have no intention of it becoming a topic.

If you are saying that God knows from the beginning those who will be saved and those who won't and thus fills out the book of life in the begining then the answer is NO. Otherwise what would be the point. God gives us freedom of choice. That is why there was a Tree of Life in the Garden. He could have left the tree out of the Garden thus man would never have sinned and would have lived forever worshiping God because there would have been no other choice. Why would satan bother tempting those away from God if it was already known they were going to be saved anyway.

See what I mean, what you are saying defies the whole plan of salvation and reason for the redemption of Christ.

SDG · #5 11-12-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Darcie

I have always had this picture in my mind that once a person is saved, their name gets written in the book of Life. But these verses have made me rethink that.

You smelling tulips, Darse??? Now you've gone Calvinist?

Darcie · #6 11-12-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

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You smelling tulips, Darse??? Now you've gone Calvinist?

I had a feeling someone would say that. Still I don't get those 2 verses.

scotty · #7 11-12-2007, 02:25 PM

It's just a time line reference, there is no predetermination of who will be saved and who won't. No the book of life was not filled out in the beginning.

Psalm 69:28
May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous.

Why blot one out if it's already known they are lost.?

actually it could be the reverse, everyone is in the book of life until they reach the age of knowledge of right and wrong. Jesus said " suffer to me the children for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"

Darcie · #8 11-12-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty

It's just a time line reference, there is no predetermination of who will be saved and who won't. No the book of life was not filled out in the beginning.

I can see that. Is there scripture (this is what I'm online looking for right now) for your name being written in at salvation?

Darcie · #9 11-12-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty

It's just a time line reference, there is no predetermination of who will be saved and who won't. No the book of life was not filled out in the beginning.

Psalm 69:28
May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous.

Why blot one out if it's already known they are lost.?

actually it could be the reverse, everyone is in the book of life until they reach the age of knowledge of right and wrong. Jesus said " suffer to me the children for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"

Hmmm...very interesting concept. So then maybe at death or Rapture it is determined?

Darcie · #10 11-12-2007, 02:44 PM

Revelation 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.