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Old 10-12-2007, 03:48 PM
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Hispanics...What to do with THEM !!

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With all due respect to my precious brethen and with an angle from a minority(Minority in this nations eyes (but not in Jesus' eyes).

I have lived all my life(42 years) in the south and have been in the Truth the last 20 years.

I have been under precious men of faith BUT there has always been that "understood unspoken law" , caucasians lead, everyone else follows.

I attempted to get my Lic. back in 1992 , not allowed because the Pastors son had to be the first one to get his Lic. at that church since he was next in line for the church.

I waited and waited nothing, I have read all the books , preached done all I was asked and nothing met all the requiremnets placed before me and nothing. I moved to TX where at least 50% of the congregations are made up of "minorities" at least in my area and yet NOT ONE "minority" pastor.

Many years ago there was always a stigma that was placed on the black race as "being to dumb" to know or do anything right, well now it has been extended to the Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Indians shall I go on.

There really is a problem, and I am happy Jesus is not like most in leadership in this area because you see GOD has used me in services full of Caucasians even if they won't.

Its a reality, sad, and even if done subconsciously its still wrong. I hold no bitter feelings , it just saddens me because I know if I notice it many thers do also.

I posted this on a different thread earlier and in doing so I might have given the impression that I am black, sorry for that I am a Hispanic and decided it deserves its own thread.

The UPCI is currently dealing with an issue it should have addressed long ago and I am right now saying in a not to distant future this will be another major one.

Currently there are some assistant Hispanic pastors out there but how many pastors can honestly say you have encouraged them to start their own Spanish UPCI churches to step out and grow?

The Hispanic population is expanding in double digit growth and if the UPCI does not recognize this and see the need to nurture/train/help those who are willing, ready and very able those slighted will rightfully finally take a stand.

Sour grapes, no by no means, I want in no way shape or form for this to ever be an issue, but step back and take and honest look and ask is there any credence to this.
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Old 10-12-2007, 03:53 PM
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Are you in Texas now? There is a pretty solid gruop of Hispanic pastors in Texas. Texas has a pretty robuts Hispanic youth camp as well.


I agree that not enough is being done in reaching minority communities including hispanics but I think there is more progress than you are stating here.
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Old 10-12-2007, 03:58 PM
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Manuel Alicea, one of the pioneers of the Spanish Ministry in the UPCI. He was a pastor of his own church for 28 yrs until God chose to call him home. I have the honor of calling him Dad!

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In the section I am there are zero hispnic pastors(plenty of helpers) but no pastors.

The hispanic community easily makes up over 40% of the congregations, and there is the progress
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I don't have a picture to put up but my Dad has been a UPCI Spanish Pastor of his own church for 24 years. we were never anyone's daughter church.
he started it from scratch
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Old 10-12-2007, 04:13 PM
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If it were that simplistic the goal would have been achieved long ago....
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Old 10-12-2007, 04:14 PM
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Chosen, I think you have been given 2 very fine examples. I also know in Texas, there is a solid network of Hispanic pastors who would help you.
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Old 10-12-2007, 04:23 PM
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I believe the issue is not that it has been an odyssey with me but that it has been an issue at all. In other words why is there a need to jump through hurdles, to go out of my way to simply want to work?

I respect hierarchy and understand protocol and so forth but you and I both know very well that if I go outside "my" immediate leadership network for help in this , it will be frowned upon by the ones over me and I may will be labled a "rebeller" for not following sop (which I have to no avail).
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