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Old 06-04-2013, 01:34 PM
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Mark 14:12

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12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?


Mark 14:17-25 Passover meal celebrated. Communion instituted.


Mark 14:32, 43 Jesus arrested.


Mark 14:53 Jesus to Sanhedrin.
Mark 15:1


15 And straightway in the morning the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council, and bound Jesus, and carried him away, and delivered him to Pilate.



Mark 15:25 Jesus crucified.(day after passover meal)


NOW COMPARED TO JOHN




John 19:14-16

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14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.
16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.


In john jesus is crucified on the day before the passover. In Mark it is the morning after passover. Was john trying to make jesus the sacrificial passover lamb? if john is correct, communion was never instituted by Christ. which is it bible inerrancy scholars???
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:05 PM
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passover day is from sunset to sunset. in mark jesus is crucified the morning after passover meal the evening before. In John he is crucified the sixth hour of preparation which could be the first part of passover evening. or john could mean he was crucified the following morning after passover but either way in john there is no passover meal because jesus was under arrest on the day of preparation according to john 19:14.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:11 PM
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futher proof of discrepancy: pharisees don't want defilement before passover meal during trial of jesus. it is clear in john that jesus was already under arrest before evening of passover meal.

John 18:28

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28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.
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Mark 14:12

King James Version (KJV)

12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?


Mark 14:17-25 Passover meal celebrated. Communion instituted.


Mark 14:32, 43 Jesus arrested.


Mark 14:53 Jesus to Sanhedrin.
Mark 15:1


15 And straightway in the morning the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council, and bound Jesus, and carried him away, and delivered him to Pilate.



Mark 15:25 Jesus crucified.(day after passover meal)


NOW COMPARED TO JOHN




John 19:14-16

King James Version (KJV)

14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.
16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.


In john jesus is crucified on the day before the passover. In Mark it is the morning after passover. Was john trying to make jesus the sacrificial passover lamb? if john is correct, communion was never instituted by Christ. which is it bible inerrancy scholars???
25 sn Generally the feast of Unleavened Bread would refer to Nisan 15 (Friday), but the following reference to the sacrifice of the Passover lamb indicates that Nisan 14 (Thursday) was what Mark had in mind (Nisan = March 27 to April 25). The celebration of the Feast of Unleavened Bread lasted eight days, beginning with the Passover meal. The celebrations were so close together that at times the names of both were used interchangeably.

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futher proof of discrepancy: pharisees don't want defilement before passover meal during trial of jesus. it is clear in john that jesus was already under arrest before evening of passover meal.

John 18:28

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28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.
It seems clear that they had not eaten their passover meal yet..that's all
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All the circumstances, also, lead us to suppose that he observed it at the usual time and manner, Mat_26:17, Mat_26:19. The only passage which has led to a contrary opinion is this in John; but here the word passover does not, of necessity, mean the paschal lamb. It probably refers to the Feast which followed the sacrifice of the lamb, and which continued seven days. Compare Num_28:16-17. The whole feast was called the Passover, and they were unwilling to defile themselves, even though the paschal lamb had been killed, because it would disqualify them for participating in the remainder of the ceremonies (Lightfoot).
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Re: Major Discrepancy!!!

Refuted - http://www.herealittletherealittle.n...-Passover-Meal

No conflict, the Last Supper was NOT 'the passover meal'.
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It seems clear that they had not eaten their passover meal yet..that's all
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No conflict, the Last Supper was NOT 'the passover meal'.
the real issue then is if this verse refers to the passover meal of that night or if jesus was referring to the next day's passover meal

Luke 22:15

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15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
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This thread is making me hungry.
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