Predestined for Glorification

[newnature]

We cannot earn salvation, and we can never lose salvation, because salvation is based not upon what we do, or promise to do, but upon what Christ has already done for us! What an astounding truth to ponder and really come to understand; a gift declaration of righteousness to those who could never gain that declaration through performance. Does that mean that once we are saved, we can just go out and do anything we want to do; live anyway we want to live and still be saved? Self-sanctification is sitting at the core in a negative way in the mindset of the person who is posing that question. Paul proves that question to be just the opposite.

Grace is a much greater motivator. It is the love of God that constrains us, not fear that God is going to strike us dead, or allow us to be a part of the second death if we perform what we should not be performing, or do not measure up through our performance. Are people set apart as holy in God’s sight because of their lack of sin, or are people set apart as holy in God’s sight because he has joined them to his son? God has a purpose for those who believe, by placing the believer into his son. God did not predestinate us to believe, he predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his son, because he knew who would believe. We must understand that God has predetermined to glorify us. In fact, God has predestined us to that glorification. To predestinate simply means to decide and decree in advance the destiny of something.

Should we just go out and sin all the more now that we know that God’s grace is given to us as a gift simply when we believe his son died for our sins, and put those sins off the table of God’s justice. The natural man has his mind tuned in only to the channel of his own human perspective; satisfying the lust of his flesh; the lust of his eyes; and the pride of life. If something is not logical to the natural man’s way of thinking, he refuses to believe it, whether God said it or not, he wants to remain in his comfort zone. God is not giving out his righteousness as a reward to those who are sorry for the past, and who promise to do their best in the future. At the point of our belief in what Christ accomplished where our sins are concerned, we are as closely associated with Christ as anyone could be, we are joined to him. What an ingenious salvation plan, to take someone else that is righteous and join us to that person, therefore what is Christ’s is ours! It is a gift, a declaration of rightness with God, and this comes totally apart from that unrighteous person’s production.

[bbyrd009]

Then, I'm curious why I sould try to produce "some 10, some 50, and some 100 fold..."? Just asking; I more or less agree w/you.

[Michael The Disciple]

A misunderstanding of grace, righteousness and predestination. Do we have to DO ANYTHING to be accepted in the end?

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away , and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:16-17

So yes we must do Gods will and be obedient if we want to gain eternal life and escape eternal destruction.

The error they teach about righteousness and justification are because they apply the scriptures that are concerning our INITIAL SALVATION as tho it covers the whole salvation process.

[Dordrecht]

The error they teach about righteousness and justification are because they apply the scriptures that are concerning our INITIAL SALVATION as tho it covers the whole salvation process.

You mean to say what Christ
did on the cross was not enough
for total salvation?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

You mean to say what Christ
did on the cross was not enough
for total salvation?

Are you saying one need not do the will of God to have eternal life? The cross is sufficient (the blood) for our forgiveness. But it will not excuse sin unpented of.

[Michael The Disciple]

The blood has a certain purpose in the process. But there is more.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1 John 5:8

The water and spirit are essential to salvation.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The blood has a certain purpose in the process. But there is more.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1 John 5:8

The water and spirit are essential to salvation.

I've had that apparent conundrum presented to me as "Christ for salvation, and works for rewards;" what do you guys think there? The gist is that one may accept Christ, and gain salvation, which can nver be lost; but one may also (figuratively) walk around in eternity 'naked,' so to speak..

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by newnature

We cannot earn salvation, and we can never lose salvation, because salvation is based not upon what we do, or promise to do, but upon what Christ has already done for us! What an astounding truth to ponder and really come to understand; a gift declaration of righteousness to those who could never gain that declaration through performance. Does that mean that once we are saved, we can just go out and do anything we want to do; live anyway we want to live and still be saved? Self-sanctification is sitting at the core in a negative way in the mindset of the person who is posing that question. Paul proves that question to be just the opposite.

Grace is a much greater motivator. It is the love of God that constrains us, not fear that God is going to strike us dead, or allow us to be a part of the second death if we perform what we should not be performing, or do not measure up through our performance. Are people set apart as holy in God’s sight because of their lack of sin, or are people set apart as holy in God’s sight because he has joined them to his son? God has a purpose for those who believe, by placing the believer into his son. God did not predestinate us to believe, he predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his son, because he knew who would believe. We must understand that God has predetermined to glorify us. In fact, God has predestined us to that glorification. To predestinate simply means to decide and decree in advance the destiny of something.

Should we just go out and sin all the more now that we know that God’s grace is given to us as a gift simply when we believe his son died for our sins, and put those sins off the table of God’s justice. The natural man has his mind tuned in only to the channel of his own human perspective; satisfying the lust of his flesh; the lust of his eyes; and the pride of life. If something is not logical to the natural man’s way of thinking, he refuses to believe it, whether God said it or not, he wants to remain in his comfort zone. God is not giving out his righteousness as a reward to those who are sorry for the past, and who promise to do their best in the future. At the point of our belief in what Christ accomplished where our sins are concerned, we are as closely associated with Christ as anyone could be, we are joined to him. What an ingenious salvation plan, to take someone else that is righteous and join us to that person, therefore what is Christ’s is ours! It is a gift, a declaration of rightness with God, and this comes totally apart from that unrighteous person’s production.

Not a single scripture

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

You mean to say what Christ
did on the cross was not enough
for total salvation?

Its interesting how you people make these unfounded comments

In other words you can't deal with what he said so you create a false argument.

Classic example of a strawman argument

[Michael The Disciple]

While the blood of Yeshua Christ is sufficient to accomplish what it was meant for (to forgive sin) the Spirit of God is sufficient to do what IT was meant to do.

To overcome sin!

12 Therefore , brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die : but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live . Rom. 8:12-13

The blood and the spirit work together in salvation, not separately.