A treatise on the upc.

[Rudy]

Very interesting seeing how long ago this was written

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/upc.htm

[Michael The Disciple]

Well no way did I read the extremely long article. But I hit what seemed to be high points. The writer (Jacobsen) attacks Pentecostal errors concerning Ministry and Church life very strongly. Much of what I read is certainly warrented even to this day.

His calling the KJV the most corrupt and inacurate Bible in our modern day is ridiculous. The KJV is not the original Biblical manuscript but in comparison to other English versions in very solid.

I wonder where Bro. Jacobsen is today? Is he still a disciple? Still Pentecostal?

I wonder if the Church he attended was Pastored by Jim Yohe who I think started this Forum or at least its forerunner. Yohe was thought of to be ahead of his time among some Pentecostals. Did he oppose what Jacobsen was teaching or did he side with him?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Well no way did I read the extremely long article. But I hit what seemed to be high points. The writer (Jacobsen) attacks Pentecostal errors concerning Ministry and Church life very strongly. Much of what I read is certainly warrented even to this day.

His calling the KJV the most corrupt and inacurate Bible in our modern day is ridiculous. The KJV is not the original Biblical manuscript but in comparison to other English versions in very solid.

I wonder where Bro. Jacobsen is today? Is he still a disciple? Still Pentecostal?

I wonder if the Church he attended was Pastored by Jim Yohe who I think started this Forum or at least its forerunner. Yohe was thought of to be ahead of his time among some Pentecostals. Did he oppose what Jacobsen was teaching or did he side with him?

I think the writer attended the assembly pastored by brother Yohe's Father.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Well no way did I read the extremely long article. But I hit what seemed to be high points. The writer (Jacobsen) attacks Pentecostal errors concerning Ministry and Church life very strongly. Much of what I read is certainly warrented even to this day.

His calling the KJV the most corrupt and inacurate Bible in our modern day is ridiculous. The KJV is not the original Biblical manuscript but in comparison to other English versions in very solid.

I wonder where Bro. Jacobsen is today? Is he still a disciple? Still Pentecostal?

I wonder if the Church he attended was Pastored by Jim Yohe who I think started this Forum or at least its forerunner. Yohe was thought of to be ahead of his time among some Pentecostals. Did he oppose what Jacobsen was teaching or did he side with him?

Let me state that posting this is not me personally wanting to smear the UPC. I don't think the article actually does that. I do see merit in his article. The time period of which it is written intrigues me.


Here is his webpage.

http://www.jeffjacobsen.org/

[Scott Hutchinson]

I think he makes valid points in his article.

[Michael The Disciple]

Apparently now he says the UPC is a cult. He is doing "religous studies" now. He is a "progessive". I take that to mean a left of center liberal, if not a socialist.

I have never wanted to be in the UPC but he would have done better to stay where he was and cultivate a relationship with Jesus than to allow MEN to turn him from Christ.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Apparently now he says the UPC is a cult. He is doing "religous studies" now. He is a "progessive". I take that to mean a left of center liberal, if not a socialist.

I have never wanted to be in the UPC but he would have done better to stay where he was and cultivate a relationship with Jesus than to allow MEN to turn him from Christ.

You're right on Bro. Did you read his reason for leaving?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Rudy

You're right on Bro. Did you read his reason for leaving?

Yes but people have to get over MEN and look to Christ. He will still be held accountable for his life before God.

[jediwill83]

Actually he's just taking a very honest approach to the early church as recorded in scripture and comparing it to the church now....I actually took the time to read it and while im no greek scholar just the scriptures themselves presented made a compelling argument....its not only applicable to the upc but also all the other denominations.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Apparently now he says the UPC is a cult. He is doing "religous studies" now. He is a "progessive". I take that to mean a left of center liberal, if not a socialist.

In what sense is he "progressive"?

Also, political positions such as conservative, liberal, capitalist, socialist are all just human viewpoints regarding civil social structure and economics. A born again Christian in a socialist country might remain loyal to the socialist party of his choosing without compromising his or her faith. It's interesting to note that biblical economics from the OT presents God structuring ancient Israel as an agrarian socialist/distributist nation.

I have never wanted to be in the UPC but he would have done better to stay where he was and cultivate a relationship with Jesus than to allow MEN to turn him from Christ.

I don't really know this guy... has he forsaken Christ?