Political, but not Racial

[Jermyn Davidson]

I just read an article where there are folks on the left, to include AG Holder himself, are attributing race to the apparent "witch hunt" the GOP is conducting concerning the "Fast and Furious" project.

The information that Rep Issa is asking for actually has very little to do with the actual incident that sparked all of the quesitons in the first place-- the murder of a U.S. Border Patrol agent by an American firearm that once was the property of the U.S. Government.

The information in question has to do with events that transpired two months after operation "Fast and Furious" was halted. From what I've read, this appears to be a routine disagreement between Congress and the White House.

However, the timing of this scandal couldn't be any more perfect for the GOP who may be bent on embarassing AG Holder and the President.

The next major move for the GOP would be to actually arrest AG Holder.

I hope they do not take their political charade that far, but if they do, it won't be racially motivated. It will be politically motivated and a very politically ugly thing to do-- especially over something that really isn't connected to a very tragic death of a U. S. Border Patrol agent by an American weapon.

AG Gonzalez was not a good man. He really wasn't. He and Cheney tried to pressure the former AG into signing documents that would have made the Patriot Act more oppresive than it already was, while AG Ashcroft was very ill on his hosptial bed.

Rumsfield was not a good man-- don't get me started!

When the Dems pursued these bandits, no one called the race card. Now in these situations, it was very clear that these yahoos and their actions appeared illegal, unethical, and even if they did nothing wrong, they were lightning rods for criticism for a President that was widely unpopular years before he left office.

Although AG Holder's actions don't appear to be on the same level as the screw ups of Rumsfield and Gonzalez, the GOP's "witch hunt" concerning operation "Fast and Furious" shouldn't be viewed through the lens of racism.

This is political, but not racial.

It's a politcal witch hunt for sure and while the arrest of AG Holder would be unprecedented in about 80 years, and uncalled for, it wouldn't shock me one bit.

It's election time, the GOP nominee for President has a tepid reception among most Americans (despite the sputtering American economy) and the GOP is thirsty for revenge.

[canam]

Jd your absolute ignorance on this is unbeleiavble this operation was a blatant attempt to prove we NEED/FORCE gun control in this country which Obama has bragged that he is doing, they didnt count on an american getting shot ,and who cares about 175 mexican families that have been shot as a result of this bogus operation ,wake up and read something instead of spouting dem talking points !!!!~! IMPEACH OBAMA AND JAIL HOLDER

[canam]

AND THEN THIS !!!!!! http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ebb_1340390038

[aegsm76]

JD, JD - Roger Clemens faced 5 years for the crime of lying to Congress. The AG has twice lied to Congress, proven lies, which he has had to retract what he said, regarding F & F.
What punishment should he face?

It is very easy to say that this is just another political squabble between the parties.
Nothing could be further from the truth.

This is another attempt to cover up the real reason for F & F and an attempt to cover up how high this operation went.

[CC1]

German,

The reason Congress wants documents two months after the operation is that is the time frame during which the AG's office LIED to congress. Do a little independent research via google rather than MSNBC and CNN's talking points.

I am amazed that Obama chose this situation to declare executive privilege over.

The AG has had over 15 months to investigate and release who knew what and when. They are stonewalling trying to get past the election.

Oh, and if you decide to post that GWB's admin had the same style operaton before you go there the big difference was that in Operation Wide Receiver the feds coordinated with the Mexican government (F&F did not) and the feds and Mexican government closely tracked each and every gun and made arrests. Fast & Furious just let them be sold then did not track them.

Essentially Fast & Furious put 1608 guns into Mexico that were then used by drug cartels and other criminals to kill many Mexican citizens in addition to the American Border Patrol agent.

[Pressing-On]

No, Operation Wide Receiver Does Not Excuse Obama Or Holder

Courtesy of Jim Shepherd at The Outdoor Wire, with a hat tip to Bob Owens at Pajamas Media, here are a few things the media is curiously forgetting to tell audiences about Operation Wide Receiver, which ran during the Bush years of 2006 and 2007 – and was indeed a bad idea, but not a monstrous horror like the Obama gun walking programs:

http://www.humanevents.com/2011/10/0...ama-or-holder/

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by canam

Jd your absolute ignorance on this is unbeleiavble this operation was a blatant attempt to prove we NEED/FORCE gun control in this country which Obama has bragged that he is doing, they didnt count on an american getting shot ,and who cares about 175 mexican families that have been shot as a result of this bogus operation ,wake up and read something instead of spouting dem talking points !!!!~! IMPEACH OBAMA AND JAIL HOLDER

canam,
You believe the lies of the fear mongerers and those who oppose the President just because they want to oppose him-- regardless of fact or intent..

This is not about gun control or taking away your right to bear arms.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

JD, JD - Roger Clemens faced 5 years for the crime of lying to Congress. The AG has twice lied to Congress, proven lies, which he has had to retract what he said, regarding F & F.
What punishment should he face?

It is very easy to say that this is just another political squabble between the parties.
Nothing could be further from the truth.

This is another attempt to cover up the real reason for F & F and an attempt to cover up how high this operation went.

Lies or mistakes?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by CC1

German,

The reason Congress wants documents two months after the operation is that is the time frame during which the AG's office LIED to congress. Do a little independent research via google rather than MSNBC and CNN's talking points.

I am amazed that Obama chose this situation to declare executive privilege over.

The AG has had over 15 months to investigate and release who knew what and when. They are stonewalling trying to get past the election.

Oh, and if you decide to post that GWB's admin had the same style operaton before you go there the big difference was that in Operation Wide Receiver the feds coordinated with the Mexican government (F&F did not) and the feds and Mexican government closely tracked each and every gun and made arrests. Fast & Furious just let them be sold then did not track them.

Essentially Fast & Furious put 1608 guns into Mexico that were then used by drug cartels and other criminals to kill many Mexican citizens in addition to the American Border Patrol agent.

I am not amazed by the President's support of his AG-- I expect it.

Ultimately, I believe that the whole thing is much a'do about nothing and that our party is trying to score political points with this-- especially everytime they mention the death of the Border Patrol Agent.


Our party is using that family's pain for political gain during an election season, but if you're convinced that the ends justify the means and if this somehow leads to Obama not getting re-elected, then I guess it's all fair and right to tie the witch hunt to the death of the BPA.

[aegsm76]

Lies.
He lied about when he knew about fast and furious.
He lied when he tried to say that F & F was started under the GWB administration.
He lied when he tried to say that a letter stating F & F actually referred to operation Wide Receiver.
How do you tell when he is lying? His lips are moving.
Google it.
I am a tad under the weather or I would provide you the links!