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Old 02-16-2007, 01:43 PM
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Is deception ever acceptable?

Is deception ever acceptable? Is misleading someone the same as telling a lie?
I have a family member who is a professional at doing this. Somebody will ask a question and they have this way of telling some but not all of the story. For whatever reason, usually harmless, but still not the whole truth in a way.

Sometimes I feel like they are genuinly trying to protect the other party or themselves. And sometimes I feel like this is a blatant overuse of some misguided power trip.

To cause someone to believe what is not true is still a lie. Right?
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:04 PM
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Is deception ever acceptable? Is misleading someone the same as telling a lie?
I have a family member who is a professional at doing this. Somebody will ask a question and they have this way of telling some but not all of the story. For whatever reason, usually harmless, but still not the whole truth in a way.

Sometimes I feel like they are genuinly trying to protect the other party or themselves. And sometimes I feel like this is a blatant overuse of some misguided power trip.

To cause someone to believe what is not true is still a lie. Right?
I'm not sure if it would actually be a lie, but I think it's wrong. It's something that I think we all struggle with though.
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:07 PM
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Is this like telling those who call you that you are unavailable simply because you don't want to talk...but really you are available, but you just happen to run into the bathroom so your children or spouse doesn't have to lie???
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:16 PM
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Is this like telling those who call you that you are unavailable simply because you don't want to talk...but really you are available, but you just happen to run into the bathroom so your children or spouse doesn't have to lie???
Lady Chocodile this is exactly what I'm talking about. Sometimes its on a little more serious scale IMO, but yes!!
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:18 PM
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Is deception ever acceptable?
No.

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Is misleading someone the same as telling a lie?
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I have a family member who is a professional at doing this. Somebody will ask a question and they have this way of telling some but not all of the story. For whatever reason, usually harmless, but still not the whole truth in a way.
Sin is never "harmless": it has eternal consequences.

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Sometimes I feel like they are genuinly trying to protect the other party or themselves. And sometimes I feel like this is a blatant overuse of some misguided power trip.
Motives are irrelevant. Deception is sin.

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To cause someone to believe what is not true is still a lie. Right?
Because you are intentionally trying to get someone to believe something you know is not true, it's still a lie.
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:20 PM
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No.

Yes.

Sin is never "harmless": it has eternal consequences.

Motives are irrelevant. Deception is sin.

Because you are intentionally trying to get someone to believe something you know is not true, it's still a lie.
Chan your pretty cool........oops
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:31 PM
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Lady Chocodile this is exactly what I'm talking about. Sometimes its on a little more serious scale IMO, but yes!!
sounds like you are kinda calling me a crocodile..hmph!

You know, One may get by with decieving but when they lay down at night, you know the truth that lies within..so really ONE of the biggest ones that are hurt are the deciever himself..
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Is this like telling those who call you that you are unavailable simply because you don't want to talk...but really you are available, but you just happen to run into the bathroom so your children or spouse doesn't have to lie???
Thats pentecostal!!!!!!!!!!!
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Is this like telling those who call you that you are unavailable simply because you don't want to talk...but really you are available, but you just happen to run into the bathroom so your children or spouse doesn't have to lie???
If I don't feel like talking on the telephone, I just don't answer it.
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:39 PM
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sounds like you are kinda calling me a crocodile..hmph!

You know, One may get by with decieving but when they lay down at night, you know the truth that lies within..so really ONE of the biggest ones that are hurt are the deciever himself..
Chocodile is a chocolate twinkie. I would think that a lady of chocolate would know that!!!!
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