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Old 07-07-2011, 10:38 PM
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Middle East Update

Palestinians to apply to Security Council next week for UN membership
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report July 7, 2011

On Wednesday, July 6, the Palestinian Authority notified the Obama administration that early next week it would file with the UN Security Council a request for admission to the United Nations as a full member recognized as an independent state within the 1967 borders.

But DEBKAfile's Washington sources report the US had got in first, having agreed with European powers and Russia on a ploy for deferring the Palestinian request. The Security Council would agree to discuss it behind closed doors without setting a date. A senior American official commented: The Security Council will stall by keeping the matter "under consideration" on its regular agenda.

PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas knew what was going on: That is why his chief negotiator Saeb Erekat said in Washington Thursday, July 7, that there is no contradiction between the Palestinian application for UN recognition and the restart of negotiations with Israel.

What Erekat had in mind was the US-French initiative -first revealed exclusively by DEBKAfile Tuesday, July 5 – for the convening of an Israeli-Palestinian peace summit on September 2 in Paris. If this plan takes off, President Barack Obama will come to Paris to join President Nicolas Sarkozy in declaring the talks open alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas.

By putting of a Security Council debate, the US, France, Israel and the Palestinians have won two months to get negotiations off the ground and moving forward. The Americans hope to bring Turkey aboard for the effort, to which end it is necessary to end the quarrel between Ankara and Jerusalem in that time.

According to US and Israeli sources, Abbas was given to understand that whatever happens, even if the talks stall again, Washington would stand in the way of a Security Council discussion of the Palestinian application. Abbas would then have to decide whether to circumvent the Security Council and take the Palestinian request for recognition of its statehood to the UN General Assembly when it convenes in September.

Tuesday, July 5, DEBKAfile's sources disclosed the US-French plan to convene an Israeli-Palestinian peace summit in Paris on Sept. 2 after ending the Libyan war.

Back to the main story: The Obama and Sarkozy administrations are working together on a plan to convene an Israel-Palestinian peace summit in Paris on Sept. 2 shortly after the Libyan war is brought to a close, DEBKAfile's Washington and Paris exclusive sources disclose. If they can pull it off, Presidents Barack Obama and Nicolas Sarkozy will join Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas at a summit in the French capital to announce the restart of Israel-Palestinian peace talks, thereby calling off the unilateral Palestinian request for UN recognition of an independent state.

President Obama's Special Adviser Dennis Ross and senior French diplomat Jean-David Levitte are leading the effort to get this summit off the ground. According to the US-French plan, it will take place shortly after the Libyan war is brought to a close – ideally by a four-way accord between the US, France, Muammar Qaddafi and the Libyan rebels or, failing agreement, by a crushing NATO military blow in which the United States will also take part. The proposed accord would be based on Muammar Qaddafi's departure and the establishment of a power-sharing transitional administration in Tripoli between the incumbent government and rebel leaders.

The US and French presidents hope to be credited at home and in the Middle East with a triple feat: two diplomatic breakthroughs in the Middle East and a US-French victory in Libya.

To this end, negotiations are going forward with the concerned parties. Russia and the African Union have been drawn into the drive to end the war in Libya. One stumbling block still remaining is Qaddafi's demand for his sons to be part of the proposed transitional administration in Tripoli.

To clear the way for the Paris summit, Ross recently put before Netanyahu Obama's revised formula for the starting-point of negotiations with the Palestinians: Israel would accept the 1967 borders with territorial swaps in exchange for Palestinian recognition of Israel as the national state of the Jewish people. Just this week, the Israeli prime minister said that if the Palestinians recognized Israel as the Jewish homeland, the other outstanding issues could be easily and quickly resolved.

However, it is not clear whether the revised formula had won prior Palestinian approval before it was presented in Jerusalem or Washington intended to later squeeze this concession out of Mahmud Abbas and so drive a crack in the deadlock which has frozen the peace track for more than seven months.

At all events, Netanyahu's reply was qualified. He accepted the new US formula in principle, but batted the ball back into the White House's court. DEBKAfile's sources in Jerusalem and Washington disclose that he made acceptance contingent on President Obama publicly and formally affixing his signature to President Bush's letter of April 2004 to then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. This letter constituted a presidential commitment to support negotiations with the Palestinians based on UN Resolution 242 (which promised Israel defensible borders), to refrain from demanding Israel's return to the 1949 lines, and to acknowledge the existence of major Jewish population centers on the West Bank as demographic changes occurring in the years since the Six-Day War.

The prime minister is now waiting for an answer from the White House.
Our sources in Jerusalem explain that this exchange encapsulates the US-Israeli-Palestinian debate over how much territory the land swaps would leave Israel and the Palestinians respectively in future agreements on their borders.

Up until now, the Palestinians have insisted on a ratio of one kilometer in pre-1967 Israel for every kilometer awarded Israel on the West Bank. This ratio Jerusalem has found to be unacceptable. A comprehensive study commissioned by the prime minister's office from the National Security Council found that the big settlement blocs on the West Bank cover roughly 8 percent of West Bank area. Giving up an equal area of Israeli territory would imperil its security no less than a flat return to the 1967 borders. Israel cannot therefore afford to cede more than 4 percent of its sovereign territory at most. The Palestinian demand for parity in the mutual exchanges of land is therefore rejected by Jerusalem.

Jerusalemis reverting to the Bush letter and its reaffirmation of UN Resolution 242 – not just because it better addresses Israel's security needs more advantageous, but also because, "You can't just toss out UN Resolution 242 and Bush's letter to Sharon," Netanyahu has been saying in recent private talks. In his view, the Obama White House cannot simply ignore a presidential commitment given by his predecessor personally to an Israeli prime minister.

In the opinion of the prime minister and his advisers, the formula incorporated in Obama's May 19 speech requiring Israel to return to the 1967 borders with mutual land swaps and accept a non-demilitarized Palestinian state is tantamount to giving up on secure borders. The UN 242 and the Bush commitment upheld this principle and is therefore the option preferred in Jerusalem.


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Joel
3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,

3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

3:3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.

3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;

3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:

3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

3:12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.

3:13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.

3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
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Re: Middle East Update

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Old 07-07-2011, 10:46 PM
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Re: Middle East Update

"so are we fixing to fly away?"

If you refer to the Lord's "harpazo" action to immortalize His church, this would be my comment:

No one knows the dating of this event because He has not revealed it [Acts 1:6-7]

This will happen suddenly and with no warning [Matthew 25:1-13]

It could happen before this day is over

Current movements in the Middle East do indicate that the stage is setting up for the events of the time of the end of this present age ..... but the Lord will decide the time of His intervention

Here is an earlier post of mine for further explanation on this subject:

The current unrest and rebellion in a number of Middle Eastern Islamic states will lead to the coming of the "lawless one", the "other prince" revealed in Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 9:26-27; 11:36-45; 12:7; 2Thessalonians 2:2-12; Revelation 9:11; 11:2; 13:1-5; 17:8-14

This Islamic "little horn" will emerge at the beginning of the coming 70th week decreed for Israel [Daniel 9:24-27] and the Lord's hour [time] of trial and judgment against an unbelieving world .... his revealing will be by the workings of Satan.

He will appear in the north central sector of the Middle East and he will proceed to capitalize upon the Islamic masses who are currently engaged in attempting to overthrow established autocratic governments.

These who are striving to escape years of the suppression by dictatorial kings unknowingly seek a different form of the same that will be the stride of this coming theocratic evil tyrant who will unite them into a confederation of transgressors that will follow him

Islam will be his cult religion and the two major divisions of Shiite and Sunni Islamic persuasion [Revelation 13:11] will at first clash with one another, but will ultimately be united into a unified confederation which will invade and occupy Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; Daniel 2:33; 2:41-33; 7:7-25; 11:40-41; Revelation 13:11-18]

At the same time these will seek to eliminate the Israelite nation and to gain world domination, and they will cause great upheaval and destruction of the rest of the nations of the world during a period of unprecedented deception, vexation, and horror [Daniel 11:40; 11:44; Revelation 13:14-15; 17:16-18; 18:1-21]

All of this will be a part of the Lord's visitation [Psalms 2; Revelation 3:10; 6:12-17] to punish the earth dwellers who have refused to believe the truth about Him and He will give them the devil [1Thessalonians 2:2-12; Revelation 12:7-9; 12:12]

Jesus Christ will then turn on this beast [in the little horn] and his followers and destroy them at Armageddon [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; 39; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5:5-6; Zechariah 12;13; 14; Revelation 14:14-20; 16:1-16; 19:11-21]

Observation of the current Middle East setting reflects the coming biblical description of the unfulfilled portions of visions of the Bible prophets for the time of the end of this present age

The individual rebellions of today's Middle Eastern states are workings of sinister satanic forces through Islamic terrorist factions who will end up being drawn by Islam's coming "Mahdi" to serve him in his quest for world domination [Daniel 11:36-45], but these are heading for a confrontation with Jesus Christ, the King of Kings who is coming to the earth to take back what is rightfully His [Ezekiel 39; Daniel 2:44-45; Micah 4; 5; Revelation 10:7; 11:15-18; 12:10; 14:7; 16:1-16; 19:11-21]
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There is no, zero possibility of a Shia/Sunni united conferedation.

You DO understand that the issues between Iran and the rest of the region are Shia/Sunni? Bahrain? Egypt? Yemen? Does it look to you that the two fundamentally different religions are uniting?

I think you should take your well-earned place with those who said the beast was a huge computer in europe or the beast was the pope or the kingdom of the beast was the EU or the kingdom of the beast was the USSR.

You must be a nutcase if after Afghanistan or Chechnya you think the Russians will form some sort of alliance with the Muslims to "become the kingdom of the beast". LOL The russians had their backs broken by Muslims in both places and there is no love to be had between them.

Jesus told you to be out ministering to sinners. Not posting nonsense on the internet. Go minister.
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"There is no, zero possibility of a Shia/Sunni united conferedation"

>Actions will be taken to bring this confederation about

[Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; Daniel 7:7-25]
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"its not near the middle or east"

The visions of the Bible prophets are all focused upon Israel and the surrounding states of Islam the Middle East ..... ancient and current
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