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Old 11-23-2009, 04:08 PM
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Global Warming is Happening!!!!

Look!!!!!

They are printing it so it must be right!


UN says greenhouse gases reach record high in 2008

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=169&sid=8776023

Then there is....

Warming's impacts sped up, worsened since Kyoto

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=169&sid=8766065

This struck me as funny following the release last week of the report of files being stolen saying otherwise!

Looks like to me that they are trying to play damage control.



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Old 11-23-2009, 04:19 PM
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I am reading today about the Cap and Trade bill..


As a side note, did you know that if the Cap and Trade passes, you will have to have a License to sell your house?

You will have to retrofit with many thousands of dollars spent to get the house to a level required by federal law.
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Old 11-23-2009, 04:26 PM
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I am reading today about the Cap and Trade bill..


As a side note, did you know that if the Cap and Trade passes, you will have to have a License to sell your house?

You will have to retrofit with many thousands of dollars spent to get the house to a level required by federal law.
You got a link to that? Is that only in the US?

Down here we just have to pay the local mafia and cut him a percentage!


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Old 11-23-2009, 04:37 PM
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You got a link to that? Is that only in the US?

Down here we just have to pay the local mafia and cut him a percentage!


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Must stink to be you!




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Old 11-23-2009, 06:15 PM
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Look!!!!!

They are printing it so it must be right!


UN says greenhouse gases reach record high in 2008

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=169&sid=8776023

Then there is....

Warming's impacts sped up, worsened since Kyoto

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=169&sid=8766065

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I too wondered about the timing of these reports.

However, the fact concerning the levels of CO2 in the air are just that, facts. We've been pumping multiple millions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere for some time.

And it is a fact that the glaciers of Europe are "shrinking." I rewad a news report last year of how a forest that had been buried under ice since the 100's was uncovered due to the retreat of the glacier.

That fact of course begs the questions, "Was the climate "bad" in the 1100's? And if not, then why is it "bad" today?"
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Old 11-23-2009, 06:18 PM
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Alex Jones is probably not the best source of information. He was the one who claimed Bush and Giuliani brought down the WTC Towers.
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Re: Global Warming is Happening!!!!

What I would love to see is the percentages (plus actual amounts) of the greenhouse gases that are a direct result of man- induced gases, plus volcanic and sun activity induced gases.

What we have a a growing number of climate scientists who are beginning to tell it like it really is - the earth is in another warming trend - and there is nothing materially that we can do about it! While man is contributing to the greenhouse effect it is almost like ****** in the ocean, not too many will every notice the added chemicals in the water, compared to the earth's sea floor venting or the decaying matter from sea creatures and plants. Even so, we humans are in the process of killing the oceans.

When the oceans really start to go - fast - look for the events of Revelation to take place, and with a vengeance.

God's time table is still on track (on time), and everything He has purposed will be accomplished with or without our acknowledgment, acceptance or support. So, let us be about our father's business while it is still day, for the night is almost upon us.
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What I would love to see is the percentages (plus actual amounts) of the greenhouse gases that are a direct result of man- induced gases, plus volcanic and sun activity induced gases.

What we have a a growing number of climate scientists who are beginning to tell it like it really is - the earth is in another warming trend - and there is nothing materially that we can do about it! While man is contributing to the greenhouse effect it is almost like ****** in the ocean, not too many will every notice the added chemicals in the water, compared to the earth's sea floor venting or the decaying matter from sea creatures and plants. Even so, we humans are in the process of killing the oceans.

When the oceans really start to go - fast - look for the events of Revelation to take place, and with a vengeance.

God's time table is still on track (on time), and everything He has purposed will be accomplished with or without our acknowledgment, acceptance or support. So, let us be about our father's business while it is still day, for the night is almost upon us.
I checked that out for myself once recently. Here's my methodology:

I took the amount of CO2 that is released in a large volcanic eruption - I used Mount Pinatubo eruption in 1992, because it was said to have been the largest eruption in recent years. I took the largest figure in the estimates given, just to be "conservative" about the effects of human versus natural activity.

I then took the amount of CO2 being released through "human activity" - and I used the lowest number from these estimates.

What I came up with is as follows: Annual worldwide human activity (cars, electrical power generation, etc.) produces as much CO2 (carbon dioxide) as about 200 Mount Pinatubo eruptions (I think the number was 214).

So, to have a natural activity that would produce the equivalent amounts of CO2 we would need to have 200 Mount Pinatubo eruptions EVERY YEAR. We are clearly pumping out a lot of CO2.

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Old 11-23-2009, 09:06 PM
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The thing about human versus natural activity is what gets me. If there were 200 Mount Pinatubo eruptions in the coming year and the Philippines, Japan and much of Eastern China fell off into the sea - that would be "okay" because it's "natural."

1 Corinthians 15:47 (a). "Man" (and the goils!) is a natural part of this planet. What human beings do, is by definition "natural" - unless you're Benny Hinn and can float around in the air.

But the rest of us are a part of this planet and a vital part of the web of life here. It's wrong to say that human activity is some how inherently "evil" the way the environmental wackos do.

Besides, all of that carbon used to be up here and was a part of living organisms. Plants "breathe" CO2. In earlier ages of the earth the CO2 levels were a lot higher than today and there were no frozen ice caps.

There's a "forest" of frozen trees in Greenland of a species that was thought to be extinct - until they were found growing in isolated parts of tropical China. And the wood still burns though it's a million years old. And being "just" a million years old, it's not like plate tectonics carried Greenland from the tropics to the far north is such a short period of time, geologically speaking.

Was it "bad" when these forests on Greenland were alive and vibrant? Would it be "bad" if they were to return? IMHO, no! It wouldn't be "bad" - but it would be different. I think the term for this difference is "climate change" and it's been going on long before humans ever started to sully up the place.

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