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06-28-2009, 03:19 PM
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Upci.org
If you have ever tried to find doctrinal statements of the UPCI on their webpage, you might have noticed the same things I did.
Namely that their doctrinal statement consists of little "tracts" that someone wrote...including a tract that has nothing to do with what we believe but is an anti-Trinity tract.
But most noticeably MISSING are the articles of faith.
The only places I seem to find the articles of faith are anti Oneness Pentecostal sites or Lois's Spiritual abuse website.
That is totally messed up. And one of things I have noticed is that the AOF don't exactly agree with some of the things others have wrote in certain areas.
For example, the AOF states forgiveness of sins is obtained at repentance.
Water baptism has no mention of "washing away" sins or "remission of sins" but is rather an act of obedience for the person who has repented.
I'd love to email David Bernard on this but the last time I tried to contact him with a question regarding his views I was told by an assistant pastor to read his books.....give me a break
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-28-2009, 03:30 PM
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Re: Upci.org
If you look at the AoG website, they post everything they believe in including the 16 Fundamentals of the Faith.
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06-28-2009, 04:02 PM
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Re: Upci.org
Yes, other church orgs do this too...the UPCI?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-28-2009, 06:18 PM
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Re: Upci.org
I recently noticed this to Prax - last week in fact... I was looking for an official statement and all I could find was the mini articles. Some of the "tracts" contain outdated arguments.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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06-28-2009, 06:20 PM
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Re: Upci.org
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
For example, the AOF states forgiveness of sins is obtained at repentance.
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Can you get an exact quote? I thought the "Repentance and conversion" language was changed in the 90's.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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06-28-2009, 06:23 PM
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Re: Upci.org
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-28-2009, 07:08 PM
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Re: Upci.org
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Yes, other church orgs do this too...the UPCI?
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Problem is Prax, the UPCi can not assemble 10 men in a room and agree on what the upci believes.
One man said once that our doctrines are caught not taught.
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06-28-2009, 07:35 PM
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Re: Upci.org
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Yes, other church orgs do this too...the UPCI?
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maybe other orgs have a denominated hierarchical structure as compared with being a fellowship organization among independent member-minister folk.
Jamming the airways with a single sound is probably easier when you have an organizational CEO in the same manner that each member minister operates over his own group.
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06-28-2009, 07:53 PM
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Re: Upci.org
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Originally Posted by freeatlast
Problem is Prax, the UPCi can not assemble 10 men in a room and agree on what the upci believes.
One man said once that our doctrines are caught not taught.
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ROFLMBO!!! 
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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06-28-2009, 08:34 PM
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Re: Upci.org
Their tract called "The Apostle's Doctrine" is sort of their statement of faith...
This can be found by going to the bar on the right, and scrolling down to "Doctrine."
-Bro. Alex
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