Obama Listened to this Nonsense for 20 Years!

[deacon blues]

Jeremiah Wright is BAAAACCCCCKKKKKKKK!

Last Sunday, while preaching at Trinity Church, JW shows a elementary lack of knowledge in American History by declaring that on "this day, December 7" the USA dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killing 144,000 "innocent" Japanese lives, in spite of the fact that is actually was the anniversary of the unprovoked attack on our Navy at Pearl Harbor which killed over 3,000 of our young servicemen and ushered us into a war that killed millions. He says we bombed them in 1941 when it didn't happen until August of 1945.

And our president-elect sat in these pews for 20 years listening to this stuff and didn't decide to distance himself from him and this church until political expediency demanded it.

Start at :47 and run to 1:14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeNo-5tAkz8

BTW why is it "America dropped the bomb" and "this government dropped the bomb" or "America rounded up Japanese civilians and interred them" when it was Democrat Harry Truman that dropped the bomb and FDR that rounded up the Japanese, but its "Bush's War in Iraq", "Bush's killing of innocent civilians"?

The loss of civilians in any conflict is regrettable, but the atomic bombs dropped on Japan were the result of the estimated 1 million American servicemen that would've died had America been forced to attack the Japanese mainland. In the final months of the war at Iwo Jima, Guam, Okinawa, and Saipan, the Japanese demonstrated a suicidal zeal to fight to the death rather than surrender. It is horrible that the Japanese government attacked us in the first place, but even more so that they, even after the first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima allowed days to pass with no hint of surrender, costing another 60,000 plus to die.

The result? We rebuilt Japan at immense cost, Japan became a democracy with freedom they had never known before, and today they are one of the strongest economies in the world.

Imperial Japan was just as wicked and dangerous as Nazi Germany. We were right and they were wrong. We won because our principles were superior and our love of freedom for all people was and still is the only way.

I hope BO has abandoned in his heart and mind such ludicrous views of America's history.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Back in the 40's the democrats were the the party of racism if not the country as a whole.

I think you have a delusional view of American history. We won because the jews gave us the know how for the atomic bomb. Not because of our "superiority".

JW might have gotten his dates wrong but I don't think his views are that off base. America has a history of racism and imperialism that looks out for #1 and not the well being of all people. Thank God for decades of liberalism that have educated the current generation.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

JW might have gotten his dates wrong but I don't think his views are that off base. America has a history of racism and imperialism that looks out for #1 and not the well being of all people. Thank God for decades of liberalism that have educated the current generation.

Really?

Let's take what you've just said and let's visit the truth of history.

When we defeated Germany and Japan and Italy in WWII, what did we do? Did we look out for #1? Did we rape, pillage, steal, strip the land of natural resources, did we stockpile gold that we ravished from their banks, did we go through their museums and steal all of their fine art, did we annex these nations as belonging to us and keep them as colonies? Did we approach them with, "To the victor goes the spoils"? NO. We occupied their countries until we could rebuild their infrastructures, we propped up their economies until they got back on their feet, we taught them how to be a democracy, we lifted the oppression of dictators and emperors all three defeated enemies of the USA became thriving, prosperous democracies in less than 30 years after the war.

During the Cold War we protected hundreds of millions of people from communist aggression by developing weapons, deploying them, and swearing our loyalty to protect them from Soviet designs to spread communist revolution around the world. It cost us trillions of dollars of our money but we were willing to sacrifice for the safety of the Western world. We even sent our troops to Korea and Vietnam costing us thousands of lives in order to fight communism. It certainly doesn't sound like we were looking out for #1.

The Gulf Wars I and II have been depicted by critics as offering "blood for oil". America looking out for #1 I suppose. Why then after success in both wars did we not see the millions of barrels of oil pouring in to our country from Iraq that we supposedly had come to steal from the Iraqis? How is it that gasoline rose to $4.00 a gallon when we had the ability to take all we wanted from the Iraqis? If we are so selfish, why not just tell the Iraqis to go take a swim while we take all the oil we need to lower gas prices?

Why do we continue to pay for our troops in Iraq while our economy tanks and we run up a deficit while we allow the Iraqis to rebuild its oil industry and sock away billions in the bank a build up a surplus. Doesn't sound like we are looking out for #1 to me.

We are the most giving, the most compassionate, themost generous nation in history. Every year we give more money away in foreign aid than any other country. When the tsunamis hit the Indian Ocean and hundreds of thousands of people died, many of them Muslims, who came to the rescue? USA that's who. We outgave all nations in humanitarian aid in that crisis.

Your statement above about America demonstrates why many of us who know the truth about America were concerned with the apparent lack of information that Obama voters seemed to have. A Zogby poll proved as much.

You just reinforced the notion.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

I think you have a delusional view of American history. We won because the jews gave us the know how for the atomic bomb. Not because of our "superiority".

Delusional view of history? HA! We would've won without the bombs! It just would've taken more time and a million more lives to finish the job. By the time we dropped the bomb Germany had already surrendered and Japan had been in retreat for over two years. Defeat for Japan was inevitable.

You need to take a remedial American History course and stop listening to Jeremiah Wright sermons.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

Thank God for decades of liberalism that have educated the current generation.

ROFL!!!!

Herein lies the problem.

If liberalism's educating of our young people since the 60s has done such a masterful job, why are we lagging in every category in education compared to the rest of the industrialized world? Why are the schools in our major cities, most of them run by liberal Democrats, the worst in the nation across the board?

Dedicated Mind, I suggest you seek to reprogram your Brainwashed Mind and wake up to reality.

[Dedicated Mind]

DB, I agree we are not a savage nation like Nazi Germany or Stalin's Soviet Union, but to think that America won all these wars without serving the national interest is naive and delusional. We rebuilt Europe and contained communism while looking out for the interests of capitalism and multinational corporations. If we are so superior, why did we wipe out native American indians? Manifest destiny. Why did we enslave africans? Economic and racist interests. Why did we bomb vietnam to smithereens. Military industrial complex. We did not fight all these wars because we wanted the freedom of the people, we are looking out for our own national and economic interests. How else do you explain the support of military dictatorships in Greece, Argentina, Cuba...etc. America has a mixed history, it rises and renews itself every four years there is the hope for renewal and restoration. I agree that it is the greatest nation in the history of the world, but to think that it doesn't serve its own interests is delusional. We still haven't seen the end of the iraq war, but it wasn't to free the iraqi people. Why don't we free Saudi Arabia or Egypt? We went to Iraq for regime change and to place an ally in an oil rich nation instead of a dictator in alliance with Russia. It was because of oil and strategic alliances, not for the people as Bush claims.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

...but to think that America won all these wars without serving the national interest is naive and delusional...

Do you know what delusional means, because if you do, it is better applied to your take on history.

Going to war "in the national interest" is something far different than the description you gave earlier that we are looking out for #1 and that we are selfish. Certainly much of what we do and have done is in the national interest. In fact, when it is not, I don't usually support what the government does.

We rebuilt Europe and contained communism while looking out for the interests of capitalism and multinational corporations.

We rebuilt Europe because we understood that in order to turn our enemies into our friends, we would rebuild their nations and allow them to experience liberty for the first time in their lives. We could show them a better way to exist versus imperialism and colonialism. Their histories were full of "command and conquer". When they defeated enemies their actions in victory only further deepend the hatred between their nations that set the stage for conflict decades later. We, on the other hand, have Germany, Japan, and Italy as friends. We were smart enough to know that winning the war was only part of the equation. We had to win in peacetime as well. We acted in the interests of both ourselves and other nations. Its called being wise, not selfish or greedy or self-serving or looking out for #1 or for so-called "multi-national corporations".

If we are so superior, why did we wipe out native American indians?Manifest destiny. Why did we enslave africans? Economic and racist interests. Why did we bomb vietnam to smithereens. Military industrial complex.

We are not without our blemishes. But the American dream and vision has proven to be superior to any nation on earth. We have done far above and beyond what just about any other nation has done to repay for our sins. The Native Americans have been given billions and billions of dollars, vauable and large tracts of land, they don't pay taxes and they govern themselves.

Slavery was wrong and our nation went to war over it and secured the liberties that the descendants of slaves enjoy today insomuch that there are black millionaires and billionaires, doctors, lawyers, businessmen and women, professors, inventors, scientists, CEOs, Congressmen and women, and now a President. Hundreds of thousands died in the Civil War to secure today's reality. It hasn't been without a struggle since, but ultimately, in time, the descendants of slaves are far better off here in America than had they stayed in Africa.

Vietnam was doomed to failure, not because of military industrial complex, it was doomed because a Democrat president raised the stakes without a strategy to win. Political survival dictated military strategy rather than the commanders on the field. Vitenam became a political football with LBJ to blame for its demise. We could've and should've won that war easily. We had a commander in chief who was corrupt.

We did not fight all these wars because we wanted the freedom of the people, we are looking out for our own national and economic interests. How else do you explain the support of military dictatorships in Greece, Argentina, Cuba...etc. America has a mixed history, it rises and renews itself every four years there is the hope for renewal and restoration. I agree that it is the greatest nation in the history of the world, but to think that it doesn't serve its own interests is delusional. We still haven't seen the end of the iraq war, but it wasn't to free the iraqi people.

We fought facism because it was right. We fought communism because it was right. We are fighting terrorism because it is right. We have made mistakes, I don't know where you get the idea that I said we were perfect, but in spite of those mistakes, history has proven that our way of life will produce the greatest amount of freedom, the greatest propserity, the greatest innovations and technological advances, medical discoveries, scientific achievements, etc.

Serving our own interests is a far different than being greedy and wicked. We have sought both to preserve our way of life while securing it for others. And where the American dream has found a home, those who benefit from its existence end up appreciating and thanking God for the USA!

Why don't we free Saudi Arabia or Egypt? We went to Iraq for regime change and to place an ally in an oil rich nation instead of a dictator in alliance with Russia. It was because of oil and strategic alliances, not for the people as Bush claims.

Why was Hussein allied with Russia? Because we realized what an unsavory character he was and we distanced ourselves from him after initially embracing him. Again, prove to me where we took advantage of our two victories in Iraq to exploit their oil reserves. You can't because we haven't. The "blood for oil" drumbeat is simply empty left-wing extremist hyperbole that makes for nice placards in protest marches and gives the guy in the bullhorn something to shout, but it does not reflect the truth.

Egypt and Saudi Arabia haven't attacked another nation (as Iraq did Kuwait), Egypt is at peace with Israel, they aren't gassing their own people, they aren't seeking to develop illegal weapons, they aren't murdering their own people to the tune of 300,000, they aren't violating 17 UN Resolutions. They are far from being ideal governments, but they are a far cry from Saddam Hussein's reign of terror.

We attacked Iraq because after 9/11 we could no longer tolerate leaders like SH thumbing his nose at the international community and breaking international laws at every turn. He was given opportunity after opportunity to do the right thing but he continuously played games and lied and deceived and obfuscated. He was given a deadline. He refused to submit. We gave him a second chance when we stopped short of Baghdad in 1991 and agreed to a ceasefire with conditions. He broke those conditions so we proceeded to resume firing. It was to protect us from an unstable Middle East, which would open the door to more terror and threats like we experienced on 9/11. Al Qaeda even admitted that Iraq became the central front in the War after we defeated SH there. Better to fight the war there than here.

In the process, Iraqis are enjoying more freedom now than they ever have in their short history. Poll after poll has been conducted and the people their are overwhelmingly happy that we are there and they don't want us to l;eave until security is better established. History will be kind to GWB and this War on Terror. There's just too many partisan folks in Washington, in the media and in academia to give him credit for a job well done. But mark it down, just as historians later credited Harry Truman for being a great president, GWB will at least be proven a great Commander in Chief when it came to the War on Terror.

[meBNme]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

ROFL!!!!

Herein lies the problem.

If liberalism's educating of our young people since the 60s has done such a masterful job, why are we lagging in every category in education compared to the rest of the industrialized world? Why are the schools in our major cities, most of them run by liberal Democrats, the worst in the nation across the board?

Dedicated Mind, I suggest you seek to reprogram your Brainwashed Mind and wake up to reality.

And why are some of the most liberal areas of the country also some of the biggest failures , cesspools, and havens for a helpless, hopeless bunch of incompetants who rely on everyone BUT themselves to provide their own needs?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by meBNme

And why are some of the most liberal areas of the country also some of the biggest failures , cesspools, and havens for a helpless, hopeless bunch of incompetants who rely on everyone BUT themselves to provide their own needs?

Its too easy to connect the dots ME, its just too easy............