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Old 03-08-2007, 06:04 AM
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The Sinner's Prayer

I was so pleased to receive the latest bulletin from christianitytoday.com and read an interesting article about the traditional Baptist response to how one can be saved. It seems there is an awakening taking place in some circles at least to the fact that one needs to do more than just believe. I just addressed this last Sunday, so I found this interesting myself.

Go to the following link for this article;

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...rch/29.72.html


The following is an exerpt from this artilce by David P. Gushee;

"If Jesus is to be believed, inheriting eternal life involves a comprehensive divine assessment at every step along our journey, not just at its inception.

Mediocrity and hypocrisy characterize the lives of many avowed Christians, at least in part because of our default answer to the salvation question. Anyone can, and most Americans do, "believe" in Jesus rather than some alternative savior. Anyone can, and many Americans sometimes do, say a prayer asking Jesus to save them. But not many embark on a life fully devoted to the love of God, the love of neighbor, the moral practice of God's will, and radical, costly discipleship.

If it comes down to a choice between our habitual, ingrained ways of talking about salvation and what Jesus himself said when asked the question, I know what I must choose."
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Old 03-08-2007, 08:21 AM
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the moral practice of God's will, and radical, costly discipleship.
Radical?
Like radical muslims?
Costly?
Like suicide?
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Old 03-08-2007, 08:37 AM
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Old 03-08-2007, 03:53 PM
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I was so pleased to receive the latest bulletin from christianitytoday.com and read an interesting article about the traditional Baptist response to how one can be saved. It seems there is an awakening taking place in some circles at least to the fact that one needs to do more than just believe. I just addressed this last Sunday, so I found this interesting myself.

Go to the following link for this article;

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...rch/29.72.html


The following is an exerpt from this artilce by David P. Gushee;

"If Jesus is to be believed, inheriting eternal life involves a comprehensive divine assessment at every step along our journey, not just at its inception.

Mediocrity and hypocrisy characterize the lives of many avowed Christians, at least in part because of our default answer to the salvation question. Anyone can, and most Americans do, "believe" in Jesus rather than some alternative savior. Anyone can, and many Americans sometimes do, say a prayer asking Jesus to save them. But not many embark on a life fully devoted to the love of God, the love of neighbor, the moral practice of God's will, and radical, costly discipleship.

If it comes down to a choice between our habitual, ingrained ways of talking about salvation and what Jesus himself said when asked the question, I know what I must choose."
Here's what Keith Green said about "the sinner's prayer" in his tract What's Wrong With the Gospel (Part 2 - the Added Parts):

"The Sinner's Prayer. Can you also try and imagine this scene where Jesus is leading some new "disciples" in the "sinner's prayer"?
"Wow! There are so many that came forward for salvation tonight!" (The multitude applauds.) "Now, it is very simple. You just repeat this little prayer after Me, and then you're a Christian! Now it doesn't really matter whether you fully understand the prayer . . . it works just the same. Now ready? Repeat after Me... 'Dear Jesus... Come into my heart...'"and so on ...

As you can see, when we try to picture Jesus Himself using our modern methods of evangelism, it seems completely foolish. I think this is a very good test for any method. "Could I see Jesus doing this?" or "Could I see Jesus preaching or teaching this?" Since the Bible tells us, "Walk in the manner that He walked" (I John 2:6), we should always try to compare our actions and message to the Master's.

It is obvious that there is no "set" sinner's prayer. There are many variations, with different lengths, different wordings, different endings, etc., but the contents are usually the same. The prayer usually includes phrases like, "Dear Jesus," "Come into my heart," "I admit I have sinned" (at least the better ones contain this last statement - there are some who do not even like to mention sin in their "sinner's prayer"), "Fill me with Your Spirit," "In Jesus' name. Amen." Extremely harmless . . . nothing wrong with a prayer like that, right? Wrong! It isn't the wording that's important, it's the state of heart of the one saying it.

I believe that a true "sinner's prayer" will gush out of anyone who is truly seeking God and is tired of being enslaved to sin. (Matt. 5:6) The very act of "leading someone in a prayer" is utterly ridiculous. You will find nothing even remotely like it in the Bible, or among the writings and biographies of those in Church history. It completely savors of crowd and peer pressure tactics, and (please forgive me) brainwashing techniques. I do not believe that Jesus wants to have His disciples "repeat after Me," I believe He wants them to follow after Him!"
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Old 03-08-2007, 06:29 PM
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Good article, TB! It does appear that God is moving on some folks to veer away from "easy believism" and toward a true committment and discipleship pathway. I believe we are living in exciting times and that there are people who are listening to the Spirit of God.

What amazes me is that of all the people God is revealing things to out of a hunger for Him, it doesn't appear that Ac. 2:38 is at the top of His list. Makes me wonder if it should be at the top of ours.
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Coming from you hb3ko1..... this kind of cracked me up a bit.
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Coming from you hb3ko1..... this kind of cracked me up a bit.
One man's/woman's weirdness is another's genious <- or somthing...>
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GENIUS.
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GENIUS.
You're IQ is showing, ma'am.
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