sins remitted at baptism? or...

[berkeley]

I'm not exactly a hard-core PAJC'er. I have been leaning toward the PCI position. Someone, anyone of the PCI or PAJC persuasion, please explain the following verse.

Are Paul's sins being remitted at his baptism? OR Are his sins washed away because he is calling on the name of the Lord?
OR are his sins being remitted at baptism because he is calling on the name of the Lord at said baptism?
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And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
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[Praxeas]

ESV Act 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.'
A non baptismal regenerationalists admits the grammar could imply salvation by baptism

A.T. Robertson
By baptized (baptisai). First aorist middle (causative), not passive, Get thyself baptized (Robertson, Grammar, p. 808). Cf. 1Co_10:2. Submit yourself to baptism. So as to apolousai, Get washed off as in 1Co_6:11. It is possible, as in Act_2:38, to take these words as teaching baptismal remission or salvation by means of baptism, but to do so is in my opinion a complete subversion of Paul’s vivid and picturesque language. As in Rom_6:4-6 where baptism is the picture of death, burial and resurrection, so here baptism pictures the change that had already taken place when Paul surrendered to Jesus on the way (Act_22:10). Baptism here pictures the washing away of sins by the blood of Christ.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

I'm not exactly a hard-core PAJC'er. I have been leaning toward the PCI position. Someone, anyone of the PCI or PAJC persuasion, please explain the following verse.

Are Paul's sins being remitted at his baptism? OR Are his sins washed away because he is calling on the name of the Lord?
OR are his sins being remitted at baptism because he is calling on the name of the Lord at said baptism?
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And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
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[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

I'm not exactly a hard-core PAJC'er. I have been leaning toward the PCI position. Someone, anyone of the PCI or PAJC persuasion, please explain the following verse.

Are Paul's sins being remitted at his baptism? OR Are his sins washed away because he is calling on the name of the Lord?
OR are his sins being remitted at baptism because he is calling on the name of the Lord at said baptism?
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And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
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Berkeley, you have come to the right place for answers to that question....I predict you shall recieve many of them.

Sort thru them and pick out the one you like.

[Sam]

Isn't water baptism only a symbolic washing away or cleansing from sin like communion is a symbolic flesh and blood of Jesus?

[Steve Epley]

A.T. Robertson was a 'faith only' guy that colored his lexicon. The majority of lexicons do not give this. Baptism having his name invoked remitted Paul's sins like it does to everyone who recieves remission of sins in the NT. ONLY in baptism in Jesus Name are sins remitted in the NT.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

A.T. Robertson was a 'faith only' guy that colored his lexicon. The majority of lexicons do not give this. Baptism having his name invoked remitted Paul's sins like it does to everyone who recieves remission of sins in the NT. ONLY in baptism in Jesus Name are sins remitted in the NT.

I think that for many it's a difficult subject. For example, I know people who repented of their sins and received the Holy Ghost months before they were baptized in Jesus name. Some were mightily used in the Holy Ghost prior to their baptism. That can lead to some very interesting questions:

If one's sins are not forgiven (Gk. "aphesis": as in "remission") how can they receive the Holy Ghost which will not dwell in an unclean temple?

If one's sins are not forgiven how can they continue in the Holy Ghost for months until they are baptized?

Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe that Jesus name baptism is an essential part of the NT salvation experience. I'm just asking questions me and many others have had.

I know many one God Apostolics who believe that baptism is a step of obedience that outwardly symbolizes the washing away of sin, or the forgiveness, that took place at repentance. It also places one under complete the Lordship of Christ. Refusal to be baptized in Jesus name is therefore an act of rebellion against Scripture and will be answered for in the judgment.

At best refusal to be baptized in Jesus name is rebellion against a commandment in God's Word. At worst it's refusal to complete the salvation experience.

P.S.
Where is everyone getting the neat little Santa hats?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

A.T. Robertson was a 'faith only' guy that colored his lexicon. The majority of lexicons do not give this. Baptism having his name invoked remitted Paul's sins like it does to everyone who recieves remission of sins in the NT. ONLY in baptism in Jesus Name are sins remitted in the NT.

lol....did you miss the part that A.T. says the grammar DOES support baptism for salvation? He stated not just his opinion but what the grammar can definitely support. That was the point.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

ESV Act 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.'
A non baptismal regenerationalists admits the grammar could imply salvation by baptism

A.T. Robertson
By baptized (baptisai). First aorist middle (causative), not passive, Get thyself baptized (Robertson, Grammar, p. 808). Cf. 1Co_10:2. Submit yourself to baptism. So as to apolousai, Get washed off as in 1Co_6:11. It is possible, as in Act_2:38, to take these words as teaching baptismal remission or salvation by means of baptism, but to do so is in my opinion a complete subversion of Paul’s vivid and picturesque language. As in Rom_6:4-6 where baptism is the picture of death, burial and resurrection, so here baptism pictures the change that had already taken place when Paul surrendered to Jesus on the way (Act_22:10). Baptism here pictures the washing away of sins by the blood of Christ.

bump for Epley

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

bump for Epley

I was speaking of his opinion here and in Acts 2:38.