Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[Sister Alvear]

I know what Brother Reckhart believes he too I consider my friend...we just believe different.

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Sister Alvear we agree on THIS passage I do believe BOTH men and women went preaching everywhere. I believe in this setting BOTH men and women preach to family-friends-neighbors. It is our obligation as saved folks and ambassators to tell everyone about this wonderful salvation and Saviour.
But NO where in the NT is it recorded where ONE of those women preached in a public assembly to men. With exception of the Book of Phoebe.

Brother Epley, what difference would it make if I tell the story on a street corner or in a more comfortable place?
You know I have baptized in the deep jungles before. Would that be ok since it is not in a church setting?
and no you will not hurt my feelings...just what would you do if you were a Acts 2:38 lady and a trinity preacher asked you to baptize him? Let´s say there were no qualified men?
Which would God accept a trinity preacher baptized by a man in the name of FS and HG or a woman´s baptizing him in Jesus Name?
These are serious questions NOT trick questions...
Not now and probably never again but I have been in situations like that...

I am not by any means bragging but I have been back in areas where I was the first christian lady...was it wrong accoding to the way you see the Bible for me to tell them the story of Jesus?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by TheRationalist

BUMP for Mr Burk. I understand your confusion especially if you are conversant only in English, but the gender of a noun in most foreign tongues INCLUDING Greek is in no way evidence of the gender of the person(s) you are attempting to address. ESPECIALLY this is true of a mixture of male and female individuals. The masculine gender is used period.

Mr. Burk? Why so formal??

So are YOU conversant in Greek? Or do you just own a Strong's?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

ACTS 8:3-5

3 But Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.

4 Those who had been scattered preached the word wherever they went.
those...is also men and women...
NIV

Acts 8:3-5

3 As for Saul, he made havoc of the church, entering every house, and dragging off men and women, committing them to prison.


Therefore those who were scattered went everywhere preaching the word. 5
NKJV

Acts 8:2-5
3 But Saul began ravaging the church, entering house after house, and dragging off men and women, he would put them in prison.

4 Therefore, those who had been scattered went about preaching the word.
NASU

Acts 8:3-4
3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.

4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
KJV

Acts 8:3-4

3 But Saul laid waste the church, entering into every house, and dragging [B]men and women /B] committed them to prison.

4 They therefore that were scattered abroad, went about preaching the word.ASV

Acts 8:2-5
3 Saul was going everywhere to devastate the church. He went from house to house, dragging out both men and women to throw them into jail.

4 But the believers who had fled Jerusalem went everywhere preaching the Good News about Jesus.
NLT

Acts 8:3-4
3 Paul was like a wild man, going everywhere to devastate the believers, even entering private homes and dragging out men and women alike and jailing them.

4 But the believers who had fled Jerusalem went everywhere preaching the Good News about Jesus!TLB

Acts 8:3-4

3 But Saul tried to destroy the church; going from house to house, he dragged [B]out the believers, both men and women, and threw them into jail.[/
4 The believers who were scattered went everywhere, preaching the message.TEV

Acts 8:3-5
3 But Saul was ravaging the church, and entering house after house, he dragged off men and women and committed them to prison.

4 Now those who were scattered went about preaching the word. RSV

Acts 8:3-4
3 But Saul shamefully treated and laid waste the church continuously [with cruelty and violence]; and entering house after house, he dragged out men and women and committed them to prison.

4 Now those who were scattered abroad went about [through the land from place to place] preaching the glad tidings, the Word [the doctrine concerning the attainment through Christ of salvation in the kingdom of God]. AMP


Now it stands to reason if verse 3 is men and women v 4 is men and women...

Again, this is not about a woman being used in the body of Christ. If you looked I posted a short study that agreed that women were then and can be today used in certain capacities. But that is not what’s at the heart of this discussion. What we’re really talking about is where in the Bible it states that a woman can be part of the five-fold ministry? You seem to be confusing the two. You can "preach" all day about women being used and I will heartily "amen" you! But where you have offered no evidence is in regard to where the Bible says that God calls women to operate as an apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, or teacher. These are all listed in the five-fold ministry and all have qualifications for which only a man is eligible. Can you show otherwise?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Brother Burk in latin languages which I speak there can be 99 Prophetess and one Prophet but you address them as MEN...Brothers...

In a church service I say Praise the Lord Brothers to 50 men and 200 women...
If the word silence means silence my dear friend then go llook for the greek meaning it is not just quite it is absolute silence...then it would mean she cannot sing, pray or prophecy...

But how do you address them if there are 100 women and NO men? Do you still address the women by a masculine name?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

The Bible speaks of women being chosen to serve in the Church. Nowhere are they said to operate as an apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, or teacher. However it does mention women of approved character and piety being involved in ministering within the church to certain needs and to other women. Such “ministering” does not involve having any authority over their own husbands or over other men in the congregation. Paul mentions a woman’s role in ministry in his epistle to Titus.

Titus 2:3-5
(3) The aged women likewise, that they be in behavior as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
(4) That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
(5) To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Their service was regarded as very important to the Kingdom of God. In History of the First Century, Mosheim speaks about these women as follows: “The Eastern Churches elected deaconesses, and chose for that purpose, matrons, or widows, of eminent sanctity, who also ministered to the necessities of the poor, and performed several other offices, that tended to order and decency in the Church.”

Paul mentions such labor in his epistle to the church at Philippi.

Philippians 4:3
(3) And I entreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellow laborers, whose names are in the book of life.

Here are a few biblical examples of how such women served in the Kingdom of God:
• The Shunamite women ministered to Elisha (II Kings 4)
• Martha served the Lord and His Disciples (Luke 10:38-42; John 12:2, 26)
• After Peter’s mother-in-law was healed, she ministered to Jesus (Matthew 8:14-15; Mark 1:31)
• Certain women ministered to Jesus: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee’s children (Matthew 27:55-56)
• Joanna, the wife of Herod’s stewards, Susanna, and many others also ministered to Jesus (Luke 8:1-3)
• Dorcas ministered to the needs of the poor (Acts 9:36-40)
• Paul asked the Church at Rome to help Phebe in whatever she was doing. She was a deaconesses and servant at the Church at Cenchrea (Romans 16:1-2)

These women played a fundamental role in the Kingdom of God. Their service was a service to God. But what must be noted is that none of their roles were ever said to involve positions in the five-fold ministry. Those positions were limited to men that were called and who met the biblical qualifications.

Elder Burk, here's what they need to read and answer.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Sis. Alvear, I wouldn't even worry about what people think. Only eternity will tell the tale, and you're doing more for the kingdom than the majority of men who tell you you're not called to preach.

Just keep on keepin' on and let God be the judge!

I agree. Don't worry about what people think. But I would suggest being concerned about God's opinion. And if you have a Bible, you don't even have to wait until eternity to know what that is.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

In Acts 18:26 and 2 Timothy 4:19, the apostle Paul gives Priscilla the honor of first mention.

Sister Alvear, you are mistaken with your reference of the couple.

Act 18:26

"And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when AQUILA and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly."

When the writer Luke relays the story of Aquila teaching Apollos, the man is introdued first.

Act 18:2

"And found a certain Jew named AQUILA, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome: ) and came unto them."

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Note also his salutation in Romans 16:3.

What is interesting about what you present here is that in Roman tort law, it's a freeborn Roman who must be placed before a freedman Roman.
If that be true than Pricilla was a freeborn just as Paul was, and Aquila was a freedman. Still, what is interesting still is that Luke records the introduction of the couple with Aquila mentioned first, and when speaking of teaching Apollos, again the man is mentioned first. in Act 18:18, the writer mentions Priscilla, first as she and Aquila accompany Paul on his journey.

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Greet Pricilla and Aquila, my helpers in Christ Jesus. When Pricilla and Aquila heard him, they took him and expounded to him the way of God more perfectly ( Acts 18:26).

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I could write all day Brother Burk but no matter what I write you would not believe because you see the bible different than I do....

I must agree with you Sister Alvear, that you are seeing the Bible DIFFERENTLY, so much in fact that you are even misquoting Acts 18:26. I mean to point this out, not to offend, but in hopes that you would consider to review your teaching on the issue.

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

It is highly significant that both PRICILLA and Aquila are named as instructing and illuminating Apollos. There can be no question that here is a woman engaged in teaching ministry, and she is teaching a man. Not that it may be the rule but probably the exception of the rule but it did happen.

Sister Alvear, you're incorrect because the scripture doesn't say that. Aquila is mentioned first concerning Apllos' Bible study.

Act 18:26

"And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when AQUILA and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly."

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I just imagine we all are wasting our time for I know if I were to quit doing what I do I would be lost...my dear friends many times in my life I would (my flesh) have loved to quit but I have a divine call and am part of the eternal plan of God...

Our personal experience dosen't prove the scripture, it's the scripture that backs up our experiences. If you don't have chapter and verse to back up your experiences than what makes us different than Roman Catholics and stigmata wounds? Mormons and their burning in the bosom that Joseph Smith is a prophet and the book of Mormon is true?

William Marrion Branham is said by the Branhamites and his own testimony that a bright light entered through the window of his home when he was a child indicating that he was a prophet. Also that a vibration felt in his hand was an indicator that his angel guide was helping him perform the miraculous.

We can not find one individual in the Bible that felt any kinds of vibrations in hand or foot to indicate a angelic presence.


Can a woman be used of God? yes, as shown in Titus

Tit 2:3-4

"The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may TEACH the YOUNG WOMEN to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed."

What is interesting is that some don't see this as a noble call?

I ask that you be not offended by what I type here, but only ask that you consider the information as I consider yours. This is not personal, and I hope you don't feel it is personal. Also I'm interested to hear how your family members believe those who preach and teach against women in authority roles over adult single and married men to be lost?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Our personal experience dosen't prove the scripture, it's the scripture that backs up our experiences. If you don't have chapter and verse to back up your experiences than what makes us different than Roman Catholics and stigmata wounds? Mormons and their burning in the bosom that Joseph Smith is a prophet and the book of Mormon is true?

I agree! In today’s "churchianity," many get their "faith" from what they "feel." It basically goes like this: FEELINGS produces their FAITH, which then becomes their FACTS. This is NOT the correct formula for a believer to derive biblical faith. We are not to follow feelings, but to follow the Word of God. To achieve biblical faith one must use the proper formula and that is: FACTS (God's Word) produces FAITH (not in selfish opinion or man-inspired traditions, but in Jesus' Word!) and that produces FEELINGS (the expectancy that comes from confidence in God). We see Paul teaching the correct formula in the next verse: So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Rom 10:17).

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

I agree! In today’s "churchianity," many get their "faith" from what they "feel." It basically goes like this: FEELINGS produces their FAITH, which then becomes their FACTS. This is NOT the correct formula for a believer to derive biblical faith. We are not to follow feelings, but to follow the Word of God. To achieve biblical faith one must use the proper formula and that is: FACTS (God's Word) produces FAITH (not in selfish opinion or man-inspired traditions, but in Jesus' Word!) and that produces FEELINGS (the expectancy that comes from confidence in God). We see Paul teaching the correct formula in the next verse: So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Rom 10:17).

Pro 14:15

"The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man LOOKETH WELL to his going."

Psa 119:105 .

"Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path."

Eph 5:15

"See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,"