Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Ha! You make an excellent point!
I don't know who he had an affair with, don't want to know because my observations from the past that the majority of OP men had affairs with women who cut their hair and wore makeup and slacks. Quite the opposite of what they say that they believe a woman 'ought' to look.



Ya know, I've never even heard of HMH until I came on these forums. I've gotta post what I have been refraining from posting. This HMH stuff sounds like a fairy tale that some church leadership is demanding grown, adult supposedly sensible people to believe! You know like...Repunzle. They take a couple verses from the entire bible and blow it up in a doctrine all it's own and make it more important that the shed blood of Christ.

I am glad that God identifies his people by the blood covering of Jesus Christ, not because of the physical appearance of men and women.

Seems I recall a you tube video of Lee Stoneking preaching his Hair=esy at TB's church.

In the video TB is seen bouncing all over the platform as LS spews his holymagichair fallacy.

Maybe the video has allready been posted in this thread.

Broken people...I pray God's healing upon them.

[freeatlast]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SbR-gCEVlA

@ between 3 and 4 minute mark he turns and addresss T Black

[Tlswift2009]

Originally Posted by TPCmusician

Inasmuch as this has unfolded and information has become known relative to money, inappropriate conduct, and other "rumors" flying around relative to a multiplicity of subjects - this has all become a HOT mess. One thing is for certain. I want to be in the will of God. My family is at stake. I'm not trying to prove a point. I'm not trying to "stand" one way or the other. I want to be in the will of God. Pray. Yes. But, Jesus said WATCH as well as pray; perhaps, too many of us were too busy praying and running aisles and didn't SEE what was right before us.

I've read the rhetoric about forgiveness relative to the perpetrator. This is not about forgiveness. It's about TRUST. It is hard for some to swallow that we sat and shared our passions, failures, vision with someone who was living such a reckless life. And if one can live such a lifestyle and take the pulpit preaching without conviction while living in sin what trust CAN one have at this point even IF there is repentance. THAT is why a bishop is to be BLAMELESS. More rides on his backsliding than merely when a 'pew member' does. It makes me question every "tongue and interpretation" that was uttered from his mouth, every "vision" of winning 1,000,000 souls (when we continue to move farther away FROM the city we're supposedly reaching)...it causes distrust and cynicism. Speaking of cynicism: I saw a picture of a shade-wearing, smirk grin bearing TB driving his BMW on a popular social media website last night. Maybe I misinterpreted and read more into it. The picture disappeared about 5 minutes later. Really? I thought his profile was deleted? Evidently, hiding it and 'fading in and out' at will. I looked at the picture and the man (for the first time in my life) with SUCH disrespect. Maybe it's time for a complete fresh start.

Bottom line, there is a church hurting. THAT is what's important. I left church headed out of town on business only to get a call while on the road to find out I no longer have a pastor. And to this point, only rumors. Others failed in the past and it was made known QUICKLY what happened. THIS happens, and NOW it's 'hush hush' and information given ONLY if asked. Really?

And MY issues? This is the SECOND time this has happened within this church's history. Who will the new pastor be? What measures are in place by the board to make sure this same type of financial malfeasance doesn't happen again? My family has given VERY liberally the last few years....for the kingdom. NOT for lavish lifestyles. NOT for the intention of paying salaries to some who do......nothing except have a certain last name. And speaking of salaries: people making exorbitant salaries...who approved them? The board? Public records show house loan amounts. You can't buy a home of a certain value UNLESS you make a certain amount of money. What the heck have we been financing all these years while THINKING we were supporting the Kingdom. WHOSE Kingdom?! And about this new church. When exactly is the building to begin?

We need more than prayer. The body needs answers. (And I KNOW I am not just speaking on my own behalf). I'm one who will say what others are scared to. Keeping unity is NOT equated with shutting up and acting like nothing happened while we just "pray".

G


Pray for me and my family as we seek the will of God. That's all that matters. HIS will in our lives.

Wow!!! I really feel you on this matter and in this post/commentary. Your love, labour, and trust has not been in vain, because your intentions was/is towards supporting the work of the ministry, and the Kingdom of God-You have your reward, and yet forthcoming!!!

[Tlswift2009]

Originally Posted by H Gang

The board members aren't that way. They are good men that were used of God to bring an end to the charade that was going on. The interim pastor is the District Supt and he too is a good man and will give good counsel to this board throughout the process. And the board won't do anything without the oversight of the District. TPC is incapable hands.

BRAVO!!! This is so good to hear and to know. I have fellowshipped off/on with TPC since the 90's, and this is God's Church, God's people whom Jesus Christ died for and ordains leadership to lead after HIS heart-so, my prayers are: BE HEALED AND LIVE ON TO THE GLORY OF GOD TO TPC!!! Thanks for the info because it's so consoling. I have many bro/sisters that attends TPC that have called, and spake with me with broken hearts {dissolusioned}, and thought to leave; I said, stay; let God and appropriate leadership help in the healing process-blessing to you all.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SbR-gCEVlA

@ between 3 and 4 minute mark he turns and addresss T Black

Forget the reference to TB I am freaked out by what LS is saying. First of all to lay claim that hair has power because he reads that it does in books about witchcraft is astonishing to me.

Then the idea that he thinks it would be a good idea for Pentecostal women with uncut hair to all go outside, let their hair down, and shake it in the wind. That this would drum up some amazing power because he read in a book a reference that a witch doing that would double the power of her spell.

Oh good heavens. I am astounded that this man is held in such high esteem by the UPC. I can't think of a faster way to irrelevancy than embracing this and RRH's teachings. I pray that surely the people of my roots are not this naive.

[Tlswift2009]

Originally Posted by Sherri

I have a lot of friends/acquaintances who attend TPC. Please please please pray for this church congregation. I cannot imagine what they're going through. It's so hard to trust again after you've been devastated.

I think we should all be aware that even though we THINK we would never stoop to the low level that TB did, our hearts are inherently evil and it's not beyond any of us, if we let down our guard. But for the grace of God.........

As a pastor, these things really shake me.

Amen!!! Well said, as a Pastor I feel the same as you have stated. I've been saved since March 1982, and I have been in some very low places in my spirit, and some times even in my walk/deeds; it's so scary and devasting to fall in your spirit and life before God, but thank God that we can go to him and ask for help and stength, but we must be genuine enough to bring forth fruit/meat for confession(s) and repentance. God will forgive us but there are consequences for our actions/doings of sin. King David was foregiven but he suffered the immutable law of God: you sow-you reap, and my Lord, his reaping was til death, and followed upon his sons. Lord, let TPC live on to your GLORY-in Jesus name!!!

[Tlswift2009]

Originally Posted by CC1

Forget the reference to TB I am freaked out by what LS is saying. First of all to lay claim that hair has power because he reads that it does in books about witchcraft is astonishing to me.

Then the idea that he thinks it would be a good idea for Pentecostal women with uncut hair to all go outside, let their hair down, and shake it in the wind. That this would drum up some amazing power because he read in a book a reference that a witch doing that would double the power of her spell.

Oh good heavens. I am astounded that this man is held in such high esteem by the UPC. I can't think of a faster way to irrelevancy than embracing this and RRH's teachings. I pray that surely the people of my roots are not this naive.

Agree, this teaching is very hard for me to receive about the hair-maybe, I'm missing some needed understanding here?????

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by CC1

Forget the reference to TB I am freaked out by what LS is saying. First of all to lay claim that hair has power because he reads that it does in books about witchcraft is astonishing to me.

Then the idea that he thinks it would be a good idea for Pentecostal women with uncut hair to all go outside, let their hair down, and shake it in the wind. That this would drum up some amazing power because he read in a book a reference that a witch doing that would double the power of her spell.

Oh good heavens. I am astounded that this man is held in such high esteem by the UPC. I can't think of a faster way to irrelevancy than embracing this and RRH's teachings. I pray that surely the people of my roots are not this naive.

I don't hold LS in high esteem. I used to years ago

The down turn began when he preached a message that included a tabloid story of Ukranian Minors drilling to deep and hearing the crys of souls in hell. Then it was at another "singles" meeting he preached that hair baloney.

[Tlswift2009]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't hold LS in high esteem. I used to years ago

The down turn began when he preached a message that included a tabloid story of Ukranian Minors drilling to deep and hearing the crys of souls in hell. Then it was at another "singles" meeting he preached that hair baloney.

Here's what oftentimes happens over and over again with church leadership. These leaders get a little revelation, and builds a reputation among men, and they get LIFTED in pride and arrogance; this happens all the time-they neglect to keep a watch over themselves, and then the SCANDALS come. God is NOT instructiong us to build reputations/noteriety, but God expects us to have/walk in GODLY CHARACTER!!! Let's look at some of the list of reputations: Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Clarence Mclendon, Zachary Tims, Eddie Long, Jim Jones, Juanita Bynum, Ted Haggart, Benny Hinn, Paula White, T. D. Fakes, Joyce Myers, TBN, Creflo Dollar, and so on, and so on {ALL THIS ABOMINABLE SPOUSE SWAPPING/DIVORCING, AND OVER INDULGANCE WITH MATERIAL LIVING-PALACIOUS HOMES-PRIVATE JETS-LARGE ENTOURAGES-JUST FULL OF LUST AND GREED}: they have popular reputations among the churchworld, but their private lives were/are filled with perverted, money grubbbing scandals. Look at the humble simplistic, lowly life of the reknown Billy Graham; the man did not get/have the Holyghost like we Pentecostal, but he had a disciplined lifestyle, and that of MODESTY; NEVER ANY KNOWN ACCUSATIONS OF SEX AND MONEY SCANDALS-TRANSPARENT!!! Pentecostal people can get FLAMBOYANT and HAUGHTY, and attempt to justify this materialism in the name of God's prosperity!!! So reputation is not on God's list, but Character, and holy living is HIGH priority-when you/we-the Church of Jesus Christ abide in this we will not fall {having a prayerful and fasting life of humility and repentance before the FALL}, because we've got our lives in the GODLY CHECK of DISCIPLINE!!!

[Hizzangel]

Originally Posted by canam

he may be restored as a christian if he wishes, maybe will assist someone in some supporting way,may go indy, but he will not hold license with the upc again

Indy? Where in the world did this come from? The last forum post about him starting a church said it would be in Memphis and would be fully staffed!?